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[Foxhound]

I invite everyone who thinks it's "weird" to provide an explanation for why they think it is such.

[Whitey]

Well first answer me this: Why?

Because I can tell you why not.
-It's abnormal, not something that makes logical sense to the majority of us.
-It leads some to question your sanity.
-It costs money to produce fur costumes that could be better spent elsewhere, at least in my view.

I'll tell you my view: I don't have a "problem" with furries, but I find the idea of it utterly ridiculous and humiliating and I fail to understand why someone might want to commit to such a label/lifestyle/et cetera.

-Rorschach

[Vaughan]

Centric! You R has Secondlifes?! Do tell.

Also. I'm not a fan of Furry noodom, so it's a definite, "Ewwww get away from me!".

The Furry Spectrum goes from "I like animals", all the way to, "I think I'm actually a whole different sub-species of Human, who has animal tendencies."

But any -serious- part of the Furry subculture (founded upon fantasy bestiality) is hardly worth my mind or time.

~V.

Edited by Vaughan, 08 January 2009 - 06:05.

[BeefJeRKy]

Humans aren't animals in my view and I can't really see what is so appealing about an anthropomorphic fox or cat etc...

[Dutchygamer]

Furries? WTH?
*googles*
Aha...

[Major Fuckup]

GAH fur fandom my friends brothers best friend is a furry fanatic his house if full of plush animals and anthropomorphic art work and furry magazines. He even put on his rabbit fur suit and jumped me from the bushes as i went to my car one night for a joke and he scared the shit out of me i thought he was a mental patient that stole a mascot suit and was trying to mug me he grabbed me and threw against my car and was yelling incoherently. and i was talking to him last sunday and he said some of the furry sites he goes on and blogs and what ever where attacked with shock images and to think some one went out of their way to indiscriminately attack them by posting dead/mutilated animals in their boards is pretty sad. on the topic of their artwork and i got to say some of them can really draw i was quite amazed im not to much of an art fan but Scope drawing an anthropomorphic dog, cat what ever leaves much room for imagination for you to manipulate. And it was funny that Luke who is the fur fan showed me a site of which name i will never forget lol the site was called "yiffstar" when that popped up i couldn't help but laugh when you know what "yiff" means XD

and as for me being a furry im open minded to the concept so convince me

[Rayburn]

Long answer:
No offence to anyone but our ancestors didn't develop sentience and go through thousands of years of evolution just so you can lead yourself to believe that you're actually "a [insert animal] on the inside". You AREN'T. You're a human being. One with an image of your self which is abnormal to say the least.
If you think it's good for you, fine, I can live with that but please don't bother me with your anthropomorphic fantasy world.

Short answer:
You don't bother me and I won't bother you.

The 'you' is meant to be rhetorical, not personal.

[Wizard]

I see no particular problem with such lifestyle choices as furries. IMO it differs little from other choices such as homosexuality, cross dressing, devout/ultra orthodox religion. It's just how someone identifies themselves to a particular group. So it's animals, big deal.

Anything done between consenting adults, in any form, is fine with me.

[Rayburn]

``Anything done between consenting adults, in any form, is fine with me.´´

True but IMO, there are some things which receive way too much public attention than they deserve these days. What does that lead to? Eventually,
even the most deviant fetish might be considered 'perfectly normal' which is just another aspect of the ongoing oversexualisation of our society.

Edited by Rayburn, 08 January 2009 - 12:32.

[Major Fuckup]

Rayburn, on 8 Jan 2009, 21:13, said:

Long answer:
No offence to anyone but our ancestors didn't develop sentience and go through thousands of years of evolution just so you can lead yourself to believe that you're actually "a [insert animal] on the inside". You AREN'T. You're a human being. One with an image of your self which is abnormal to say the least.
If you think it's good for you, fine, I can live with that but please don't bother me with your anthropomorphic fantasy world.

Short answer:
You don't bother me and I won't bother you.

The 'you' is meant to be rhetorical, not personal.

well maybe thats how some people deal with their problems escape into fantasy lol when alcohol and drugs are to expensive go one a lovely trip through the meadows where the furrys sing and play but then u remember shit im still at school/work/jail/rehab/*insert somethin worse here*

[Waris]

Dutchygamer, on 8 Jan 2009, 22:30, said:

Furries? WTH?
*googles*
Aha...

Did you turn SafeSearch on?

[Razven]

Meh, whatever gets your you off is what I'd usually say, although I know some furry who are actually married, have kids and are trying to force their way of thinking as the only way by home-schooling and forbidding them to associate with non-furries.

It's quite appaling when it comes to the extremes of the spectrum in anything though.

[Chyros]

Meh, whatever flicks your switch . I'm no furry, myself, though.

[NergiZed]

Furry? Do not want.

[CodeCat]

Rorschach, on 8 Jan 2009, 5:31, said:

Well first answer me this: Why?

Because I can tell you why not.
-It's abnormal, not something that makes logical sense to the majority of us.
-It leads some to question your sanity.
-It costs money to produce fur costumes that could be better spent elsewhere, at least in my view.

I'll tell you my view: I don't have a "problem" with furries, but I find the idea of it utterly ridiculous and humiliating and I fail to understand why someone might want to commit to such a label/lifestyle/et cetera.

-Rorschach

-It makes no less sense than being an anime fan.
-Explain.
-Perhaps 20% of the furry fandom actually has a fursuit.

Rayburn, on 8 Jan 2009, 13:13, said:

Long answer:
No offence to anyone but our ancestors didn't develop sentience and go through thousands of years of evolution just so you can lead yourself to believe that you're actually "a [insert animal] on the inside". You AREN'T. You're a human being. One with an image of your self which is abnormal to say the least.
If you think it's good for you, fine, I can live with that but please don't bother me with your anthropomorphic fantasy world.

This has very little to do with actual furries and more to do with a stereotype. In fact, a lot of people here seem to have a stereotyped or at least untrue view of what furries are, and dislike them for that reason alone rather than actually finding out the truth.

A rule I like to keep in mind is the 'there's always one' rule: 'if you can think of it, there's always one that does it'. But just because a minority does something does not mean the entire group does it. Not all anime fans like hentai, not all modders are cheaters, not all open source developers or hackers are conspiring to overthrow the government, not all Americans are stupid, not all vegetables are horrible, etc. etc. Generalising a small group's behaviour to a larger group is stereotyping. And not finding out the truth from independent, reliable sources is as least as bad. The truth is, being a furry is just like being an anime fan. Nothing more. Anime fans like anime, furry fans like anthropomorphic animals. That's really all it is. There are always a few that take it further, and there are some that think they're animals inside. I also guarantee that there are some anime fans who think they're the next Goku or something like that. The thing to keep in mind is that these stereotyped views do not represent the majority of furries, to which the fandom is nothing more than a hobby or a personal interest, comparable with the interest in mods that brought you all to this forum.

[Rayburn]

Sorry if my post wasn't clear enough in that aspect. Of course not ALL furries do filthy things while wearing animal costumes, however, this is the small subgroup my criticism was pointed at: Hardcore furries or whatever one wants to call 'em. I'm well aware that most of the sensible furries do not actually believe they're animals at heart. I don't have the slightest problem with those because, as you say, it's just another hobby like anime. I just don't like those who take it to the extreme level such as the people Razven mentioned. This, however, can apply to EVERY cult. Heck, there's probably some chaps out there who are into Star Trek porn or whatever. I don't mind people who are into anime either; it's always the few weirdos who take it too far who annoy me because they, unlike the normal fans, may turn 'militant' and bother outsiders with their weirdness. Again, sorry if my earlier post wasn't precise enough. Let's just not forget that even stereotypes do contain SOME truth. You're right when you say that the stereotype doesn't represent the MAJORITY but there ARE people who DO follow the stereotype. Basically, I only dislike those who take their cults too serious and that IS usually a minority.

Edited by Rayburn, 08 January 2009 - 14:23.

[Major Fuckup]

what comes to my mind when people say aw come on nathan come to this anime convention at the convention centre and i say bugger off that a trip all the way into the CBD and wait ain't you too old for cartoons now? its the same thing for people in fursuits and guys dressing up as superheros and snake at cos play conventions ain't you too old for this shit? only the staff at the convention need to dress up lol U CANT BE A KID FOR EVER and a 35 year old guy dressing up going to a convention who's not an entertainer employed by who ever is holding it is pretty concerning lol

[Rayburn]

That, for example, is one of those scenarios which I'd consider 'close to the extreme'. It's not quite THE extreme yet, but it's getting close to my personal limit of understanding. That might be because my limits happen to be drawn more narrowly than those of other people but that is something everyone should decide for himself I suppose. Now excuse me please, it's time for me to bail out of this discussion because the weather here's playing hell with my head and I have the feeling that I'm not quite as coherent as I normally am.

Edited by Rayburn, 08 January 2009 - 14:47.

[Dutchygamer]

Waris, on 8 Jan 2009, 13:43, said:

Dutchygamer, on 8 Jan 2009, 22:30, said:

Furries? WTH?
*googles*
Aha...

Did you turn SafeSearch on?

What SafeSearch

[Wizard]

Dutchygamer, on 8 Jan 2009, 15:36, said:

Waris, on 8 Jan 2009, 13:43, said:

Dutchygamer, on 8 Jan 2009, 22:30, said:

Furries? WTH?
*googles*
Aha...

Did you turn SafeSearch on?

What SafeSearch

Not the place to be talking about it. Back to Furries.

[Rich19]

Not a furry. They don't bother me, although I do find it perhaps a little odd. Still, everyone has their eccentricities.

[Major Fuckup]

Foxhound, on 8 Jan 2009, 13:05, said:

I invite everyone who thinks it's "weird" to provide an explanation for why they think it is such.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/jib...alpeopleom6.png

i think that right there is why "furrys" are stereotyped so much cuz i cant tell if their joking or not and 4chan being suck a big site shit spreads quickly and soon enough how would we know that they ain't just some randoms poking fun of furrys.
and is it just me or is that what we don't know or understand to well cause us to behave in such a way that we perceive any thing we don't understand a threat because it is different?
think back to school where a kid acts a bit differently to every one else gets picked on for his difference do we revert to a hostile nature back we simply don't under stand?
and what i picking up from you Rayburn is that you seem very defensive in that your reply is hostile and evasive that you seem to have some what of a prejudice against them and you have to justify and what you are calling extreme and what acceptable as a stereotype with what knowledge you know with in your "personal limit of understanding" and judging them as some what of an abnormal being of who you should be cautious around due to their behavior or even rationalized feared and emotions due to those differences.
i don't know if i hit a note there or if i have interpreted what you have said incorrectly and im talking shit now or maybe its just the weather like you said and that its 2:30 in the morning and i sleep deprived and im incoherent for this "soz" in advanced

[Nid]

Foxhound, on 8 Jan 2009, 3:24, said:

appalling immaturity

WOO!

[Vaughan]

Why are there never any fish furries? ... Or would they be, "scalies".

~V.

[Rayburn]

Right, I'll try to re-iterate what I was trying to say a few hours ago before I had lunch:

I do NOT have a problem with people who like 'weird' or 'strange' things and immerse themselves into their hobbies to a certain, healthy degree.
=> I do NOT have a problem with the majority of those who Codecat defined as furries.
This also applies to various other fields of nerdiness, be it anime, Star Wars, comic books, you name it.

What I DO have a problem with is people who bother me with their strange hobbies i.e. flooding me with chatter about how awesome it is to be a [insert fandom] follower. I ALSO have a problem with people who take these hobbies to what I consider an extreme. A certain degree of weirdness is all right, that's what I call an individual BUT as soon as this hobby takes on this bizarre, seemingly obsessive degree of devotion, I have to start questioning the subject's sanity. In the context of furries, this (WARNING: Potentially obscene language) is the level of weirdness I am talking about. Objectively speaking, being a furry IS abnormal because it's simply not what nature intended. I'm a strong supporter of the natural order of things which is why my initial stance towards furry-ism is critical. At this point, I have to analyse how firmly the individual believes in this cult because this is another factor that influences my judgement. Is it a normal furry with a clearly defined human personality who just likes to fantasise every once in a while or is he part of the hardcore minority of furries who get turned on if their partner is wearing a Tony Tiger costume?

Now, some people might NOT have a problem with this. That's because some people might be more open-minded than I am which is natural. I'm a cynic, I'm misanthropic, and borderline-schizoid, hence, my image of humanity is rather negative and I also tend to accentuate the negative. Other people who aren't as cynical may have no problem with the things that lie beyond MY personal level of tolerance, which is also fine. It's a matter of personal opinion, tolerance, and general attitude.

Bottom line:
As long as you don't bother me with whatever weird cult you take a fancy to, we're okay. Neither will I try to annoy you with whatever the hell I like.
BUT as soon as someone repeatedly gets on my nerves with these things, my opinion of them will inevitably change for the worse. AND if you're taking your fandom beyond the level of what I consider reasonable, I'll certainly make my own judgement about your personality.

Disclaimer:
I didn't intend to be hostile, defensive or evasive.
I merely found my original post to be lacklustre by my regular standards as it did not entirely convey my stance on this surprisingly heated subject.
Perhaps we should move this to the PhilCo.

Edited by Rayburn, 27 April 2009 - 18:36.