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#1 SquigPie

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 19:58

A couple of days ago, I fell over a pro-protestantic (haha) cross between Richard Dawkins and Frank Miller, except, more stupid and more evil, and alot more fun.


What is Chick Tracts?:

Chick Tracts are comic strips by Jack Chick, a guy who likes to write about how everybody ecxept for himself is gonna end up in hell. His comics have been parodied and mocked several times.

But I found a good use of them.

Lulz.

His comics contain massive amounts of un-intentional humour, his bigoted views and silly reasoning is only overshadowed by the fact that he believes DnD and Harry Potter to be occult witch-training and J. R. R. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis to be undercover satanists....

Here is the list of the best tracts I've found so far:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5012/5...ROM=bibleseries :Bashing Harry Potter.

http://www.chick.com...046/0046_01.asp :My personnal favorite, Bashing DnD, Funny thing is that he thinks that 90% of the DnD players are girls...Does this guy know anything about geekism at all?!!

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5003/5...ROM=bibleseries :Bashing Homosexuals, as a person very close to me is gay, This one in particular offends me.

http://www.chick.com...040/0040_01.asp :Bashing Roman Catholics.

http://www.chick.com...104/1104_01.asp :Bashing Allah with reasoning that Allah is merely an adaption of an older diety, completely ignoring the fact that christianity got craploads of stuff taken from the old heathen religions.

http://www.chick.com...016/0016_01.asp :Bashing Buddhism, not really any reasoning here at all.

http://www.chick.com...014/0014_01.asp :Bashing Jews, guess that makes him a nazi or something...

http://www.chick.com...033/1033_01.asp : God is NOT a Fairy Tale, thanks for hammering it in our heads with nails Mr Chick!

http://www.chick.com...070/0070_01.asp :MUHAHA! you Hindus just thought that you could escape Mr Chicks fury!...but you couldn't...

http://www.chick.com...055/0055_01.asp :Bashing Evolution, this time with actual proofs! (YAY!) But I'm not sure if they are made up or something. Can somebody tell me?

Now I've posted the ones I found to be the best of the best/worst of the worst.

What is the point of this thread:

The point of this thread is to dicuss the views of this man. Not the general christian view, but the view of this man alone.

My Opinion: I think its horrifying, to think that some people actually believe these things. But on some level, he may (hopefully not) actually be right, maybee god is a douch.
As a Protestantic Christian, I can say that I feel sad to see another of my fellow christians cross the line between Religiousity and Fanaticism. His views are arrogant and he fails to present his views in a maner that doesn't scream his opinions into our heads. Also, as a person who sometimes goes borderline flaming in defense of my opinions, I can never reach the sheer flamiosity of this guy.



For the Mods: While this thread is borderline non-Philosophers Corner. I don't really think that it fits into the Spam-thread either. But I'll leave it up to you weather you let my topic stay or move it.

Edited by SquigPie, 18 May 2009 - 13:17.

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As long as the dark foundation of our nature, grim in its all-encompassing egoism, mad in its drive to make that egoism into reality, to devour everything and to define everything by itself, as long as that foundation is visible, as long as this truly original sin exists within us, we have no business here and there is no logical answer to our existence.
Imagine a group of people who are all blind, deaf and slightly demented and suddenly someone in the crowd asks, "What are we to do?"... The only possible answer is, "Look for a cure". Until you are cured, there is nothing you can do.
And since you don't believe you are sick, there can be no cure.
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#2 TehKiller

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 11:06

IMO this guy needs to get a life
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Posted 18 May 2009 - 12:13

This guy thinks that its very hard to get into heaven, so I don't really think that he believes life to be more than a possible "Get-out-of-jail-free-card".

But I agree with you. Life is a gift, lets use it...

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As long as the dark foundation of our nature, grim in its all-encompassing egoism, mad in its drive to make that egoism into reality, to devour everything and to define everything by itself, as long as that foundation is visible, as long as this truly original sin exists within us, we have no business here and there is no logical answer to our existence.
Imagine a group of people who are all blind, deaf and slightly demented and suddenly someone in the crowd asks, "What are we to do?"... The only possible answer is, "Look for a cure". Until you are cured, there is nothing you can do.
And since you don't believe you are sick, there can be no cure.
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#4 RaiDK

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 13:03

I think if it was the other way around and was pro-evolution then nobody would have a problem with it.

But yeah, fanaticism isn't the answer.

Edited by RaiDK, 18 May 2009 - 13:05.

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According to Conspiracy theories in internet, sci-fi and fantasy are real!

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 13:18

Sadly, I agree. People like Richard Dawkins prove that every day.

Edited by SquigPie, 18 May 2009 - 13:18.

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As long as the dark foundation of our nature, grim in its all-encompassing egoism, mad in its drive to make that egoism into reality, to devour everything and to define everything by itself, as long as that foundation is visible, as long as this truly original sin exists within us, we have no business here and there is no logical answer to our existence.
Imagine a group of people who are all blind, deaf and slightly demented and suddenly someone in the crowd asks, "What are we to do?"... The only possible answer is, "Look for a cure". Until you are cured, there is nothing you can do.
And since you don't believe you are sick, there can be no cure.
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Posted 18 May 2009 - 15:10

I can understand ' live ' or ' perish ' concept, but I just can't see any little atomical logic in the concept of ' live ' or ' get tortured with unimagineable ways until forever '

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 19:59

lol this guy does need a life but i shall not crticize so for each his own. but as i do take comparitive religons as a class, this guy is a little ignorant.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 00:30

This..person has a very narrow view of the universe, for all it's greatness and glory, God created or not, this man seems to think he should dictate how things are run.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 02:21

This is why we can't have nice things. On a more related note, the subtle humor in this is there but I think I would like the parodies that make fun of it more. Care to post some?
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:55

Will do when i get time, right now I need to run.

EDIT: Okay, got the links now,

Cthulhu Tracts, basically the same but with the Lovecraftian Gods instead:

http://www.fredvanle...m/cthulhutract/ :Why we're here....

http://foo.ca/wp/chi...be-eaten-first/ :When the elder gods return, pray that you will be eaten first....

Edited by SquigPie, 19 May 2009 - 20:21.

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As long as the dark foundation of our nature, grim in its all-encompassing egoism, mad in its drive to make that egoism into reality, to devour everything and to define everything by itself, as long as that foundation is visible, as long as this truly original sin exists within us, we have no business here and there is no logical answer to our existence.
Imagine a group of people who are all blind, deaf and slightly demented and suddenly someone in the crowd asks, "What are we to do?"... The only possible answer is, "Look for a cure". Until you are cured, there is nothing you can do.
And since you don't believe you are sick, there can be no cure.
- Vladimir Solovyov

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 23:00

Wow, to be honest, I saw it and almost cried... And I only read the evolution one completely too...sad... This reminds me of Deborah Drapper and it is because of bastards like him (bloody fanatics) that people like her have been brainwashed so.

Although I DO think it was funny that during the vestigial structure conversation, they COMPLETELY ignored the Appendix (easily the most useless human organ) and SO MANY found in insects. And as for the evolution part, all he'd had to do was bring up those flower that NEED to undergo a mutation EVERY time they reproduce, I can't remember the name, called poly-somethings.

Although it makes me sad to see fanatics like this. To be honest, religion is a political institution (talking about the Churches themselves, at some point I will explain how I seperate religion from theism-or as it is better known, believe), and as such people should not be so quick to defend it by ignoring facts, that is ignorant, instead one should stick to believing their own believes (THAT is theism, or at least how I prefer to use the word) and they too should learn to adapt, as regardless, ALL points of religion can be adapted to fit science, I should know, I used to do it ALL the time.

And, last but not least, let us not forget what Isaac Newton, George Mendel, and almost EVERY other scientist (including the great Einshtein) believed was the purpose of science: to allow humanity to better understand God and grow closer to him/she/it. Science is not an enemy of theism, or even the church, but instead an ally of it, and instead of disproving God it only helps us to UNDERSTAND him (and understanding is one of the 7 Holy Virtues I believe, can't remember off the top of my head, as well as that the whole Bible (old& new testaments) center aruond understanding God and his acts as well as everything else it discusses).

Religion should not be taken literally people, MOST ESPECIALLY Christianity. As to why? A) Jesus never asked to be made of religion of and to him it would be distasteful to see people worship him as a God AND kill other beings and discourage the truth, or at least I believe so. And B) Jesus himself almost NEVER spoke literally, instead he spoke in parables that were meant to be understood abstractly, and even suggested that the bible be treated more-or-less so.

And last but not least, let us remember the motto of what was pherhaps THE MOST religiously devout insitution in human history, The Knights Templar: Veritas vos liberabit; "The Truth Shall Set You Free." In other words, even the Templars who were WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY dedicated to God, the Church, and its beliefs believed that truth was essential and unignorable, and science IS truth, or at least that is what their motto suggests and I think we should remember their words for what they are.
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Posted 24 May 2009 - 10:38

If you feel that religion shouldn't be taken literally, how can you know that God himself isn't just a metaphor?
Now go out and procreate. IN THE NAME OF DOOM!

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Posted 24 May 2009 - 14:50

View PostGolan, on 24 May 2009, 11:38, said:

If you feel that religion shouldn't be taken literally, how can you know that God himself isn't just a metaphor?

Maybe God is a metaphor. Maybe it isn't, I can't prove or disprove that, but I'm an aethist, so I care not. I'm simply stating a counter-argument stemming from a possibility I could believe (and at one point did)
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 07:09

I wonder about how this guy can think of god as an all-loving-father and then still talk about how he HAAAAATEEEEESSS(!!!!!) homosexuals, pagans, catholics, atheists and all the others.

Its like a father who gives his child 10 pieces of candy, and then if the child takes any other than the right piece of candy, the father beats him to a pulp (for all eternity).

Not really a loving father if you ask me...

So I prefer to think of him as a father who loves all his children (christian, atheist, buddhist etc.) equally.

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As long as the dark foundation of our nature, grim in its all-encompassing egoism, mad in its drive to make that egoism into reality, to devour everything and to define everything by itself, as long as that foundation is visible, as long as this truly original sin exists within us, we have no business here and there is no logical answer to our existence.
Imagine a group of people who are all blind, deaf and slightly demented and suddenly someone in the crowd asks, "What are we to do?"... The only possible answer is, "Look for a cure". Until you are cured, there is nothing you can do.
And since you don't believe you are sick, there can be no cure.
- Vladimir Solovyov

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#15 Golan

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 08:27

View PostZero, on 24 May 2009, 14:50, said:

View PostGolan, on 24 May 2009, 11:38, said:

If you feel that religion shouldn't be taken literally, how can you know that God himself isn't just a metaphor?

Maybe God is a metaphor. Maybe it isn't, I can't prove or disprove that, but I'm an aethist, so I care not. I'm simply stating a counter-argument stemming from a possibility I could believe (and at one point did)

If you don't feel like sticking to your theoretical argument, why raise it in the first place?
Now go out and procreate. IN THE NAME OF DOOM!

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 11:02

View PostGolan, on 25 May 2009, 9:27, said:

View PostZero, on 24 May 2009, 14:50, said:

View PostGolan, on 24 May 2009, 11:38, said:

If you feel that religion shouldn't be taken literally, how can you know that God himself isn't just a metaphor?

Maybe God is a metaphor. Maybe it isn't, I can't prove or disprove that, but I'm an aethist, so I care not. I'm simply stating a counter-argument stemming from a possibility I could believe (and at one point did)

If you don't feel like sticking to your theoretical argument, why raise it in the first place?

I still believe what I said is an option, but considering myself a Man of Science, it would be stupid and unscientific of me to deny an option I can't prove/disprove. So, to me there are few greater true evils than ignorance (equality being one) and I will not ignore the possible.
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 11:59

But what I'm trying to say is that it isn't a logical option. If you see religion as only a metaphor, then you can't derive anything from it. All of it's rules and teachings would be potentially misguiding as they wouldn't hold any value in itself, only in their interpretation, and interpretation is extremely subjective.
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 15:09

And I'm saying I do not stand in the position of time-space, and knowledge to say definitively "yes" or "no." Simply put, too many posibilities.
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