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[Libains]

Ion Cannon!, on 7 Jul 2009, 23:15, said:

Dr. Strangelove, on 7 Jul 2009, 6:50, said:

TheDR, on 7 Jul 2009, 0:59, said:

AJ, on 7 Jul 2009, 0:44, said:

Ah too much to try to edit down and quote, unless i'm missing a vital tool.

Anyway, you can play a computer, and god damn its a lot more complex than any instrument i have ever seen

In b4 Gary Numan.

You cannot group electronic music like the techno crap in Dance Nation 2009 with his stuff.

For the third time, i'm not grouping dance nation 2009 with things like chase and status(One of the things I know Bob likes), neither of us have said that.

I maintain my posistion that rap shouldn't be classed as music though. You can call me ignorant all you want, its not music.

Exactly that - rap is a bunch of wanna-be gangsters (occasionally not so wanna-be and more actual-be) pretending they know a thing or two about music and screaming their woes down a mic for five minutes, or what they're going to do to the neighbour when they shag their daughter... You cannot put a beat (and a very minimalistic one at that) to profanities and call it music.

[Alias]

Warboss Nooka, on 8 Jul 2009, 2:20, said:

Alias, on 6 Jul 2009, 19:53, said:

A blind person who has never played piano in their life pressing random keys on the piano is music, as long as they are enjoying what they are doing and what is coming out of it.

So what you're saying is that the person playing the music has to first enjoy it in order for it to be "music"? Sorry, but there's a part of me that feels the need to be the Devil's Advocate.

Discord and "unpleasant" (I use the term unpleasant because sounds that don't sound quite right can be thought of as such) sounds actually take a bit more effort than just simply setting a prerecorded beat to sample itself over and over throughout a song.

I more put the fact they have to be enjoying it as they're probably going to be the only one listening, and since they are, at least one person has to appreciate it as more than a collection of sounds, if they're the only one there, you get the point.

Sampling takes more effort than you realise. Any one of us could just spew out some horrific singing in ten seconds, sampling takes at least a couple of days.

[Dr. Strangelove]

AJ, on 7 Jul 2009, 23:27, said:

Ion Cannon!, on 7 Jul 2009, 23:15, said:

Dr. Strangelove, on 7 Jul 2009, 6:50, said:

TheDR, on 7 Jul 2009, 0:59, said:

AJ, on 7 Jul 2009, 0:44, said:

Ah too much to try to edit down and quote, unless i'm missing a vital tool.

Anyway, you can play a computer, and god damn its a lot more complex than any instrument i have ever seen

In b4 Gary Numan.

You cannot group electronic music like the techno crap in Dance Nation 2009 with his stuff.

For the third time, i'm not grouping dance nation 2009 with things like chase and status(One of the things I know Bob likes), neither of us have said that.

I maintain my posistion that rap shouldn't be classed as music though. You can call me ignorant all you want, its not music.

Exactly that - rap is a bunch of wanna-be gangsters (occasionally not so wanna-be and more actual-be) pretending they know a thing or two about music and screaming their woes down a mic for five minutes, or what they're going to do to the neighbour when they shag their daughter... You cannot put a beat (and a very minimalistic one at that) to profanities and call it music.

There was a time when it wasn't all about gangsters. Whether it was any good or not is your call.

[Erik]

Theres nothing more enjoyable than a life concert be it heavy metal or a classical orchestra.
Its the whole enviourment that adds to it and makes it more than just music, its an experience.

On the discussion going on about mainstream i got nothing to say that bruce couldnt say instead.
(Would it be legal to uplaod an audio file even if its a song to 50% ?)

[NewMessageN00b]

You're all discussing "music"...
Good luck then, because "music" is everything, regardless of what you or someone else thinks of it.
From cars accidentally beeping in a catchy sequence up until the work of any classical orchestral piece.

Saying that "this is not music" is same as implying a lot of things, hoping that one would figure them out anyway - epic fail.
Either way, I'm an epic fail right now too, just by implying whatever assumptions that I have in my head while putting this post together.

I believe that music is ANYTHING that raises emotion - isn't this emotion, whatever form it takes, a signal that it works anyway?
Even if you think it's rubbish... can't it be that this musician has the specific skill to do rubbish? Afterall, you noticed it and thus - failed to deny its effect.

[deltaepsilon]

I personally don't walk around with an earphone plugged in my ear, not because it degrades it to mere background noise, but mainly for personal safety. Crossing a road with music blaring in your ears dramatically reduces your awareness. Same thing if you're riding a bike or jogging... other "stuff" may happen to you.

Anyway, if I'm at home on my computer, I still don't mind having a bassy track cranked up on my subwoofer here and then, vibrating most of the area around me. Gets me hyped

Edited by deltaepsilon, 12 July 2009 - 06:39.

[Crazykenny]

I think RAPTOR hit the nail on the head, these days music is overrated its all about bass and being as loud as possible. Dont get my wrong, I listen to hardstyle which is 90% bass. But thats exactly what its ment for, somehow it leaked to other music genre's.

[NOPE]

Crazykenny, on 15 Jul 2009, 23:26, said:

I think RAPTOR hit the nail on the head, these days music is overrated its all about bass and being as loud as possible. Dont get my wrong, I listen to hardstyle which is 90% bass. But thats exactly what its ment for, somehow it leaked to other music genre's.

I love hardstyle.

Anyway, I'd guess that most people probably don't care too much about music and treat it as background sound, so they just find whatever's most convenient - that means mainstream music. And you know, they probably don't appreciate music because they don't know what "good" music is BECAUSE they listen to mainstream.
DEADLY CYCLE!
sorry if this post seems idiotic, I'm distracted by like 8 different things right now o_o

Edited by Lil, 18 July 2009 - 02:31.

[Alias]

Lil, on 18 Jul 2009, 12:31, said:

Crazykenny, on 15 Jul 2009, 23:26, said:

I think RAPTOR hit the nail on the head, these days music is overrated its all about bass and being as loud as possible. Dont get my wrong, I listen to hardstyle which is 90% bass. But thats exactly what its ment for, somehow it leaked to other music genre's.

I love hardstyle.

Anyway, I'd guess that most people probably don't care too much about music and treat it as background sound, so they just find whatever's most convenient - that means mainstream music. And you know, they probably don't appreciate music because they don't know what "good" music is BECAUSE they listen to mainstream.
DEADLY CYCLE!
sorry if this post seems idiotic, I'm distracted by like 8 different things right now o_o

To be quite honest with you, almost all of the music you've mentioned to me that you listen to I would classify as 'mainstream'. Almost everyone who has posted in this thread I would classify as listeners of mostly mainstream music. The two people here other than myself who I would classify the least mainstream would probably be Waris (the stuff I've introduced him to) and Bob.

[Crazykenny]

If you havent even heard Hardstyle, how can you call it mainstream...

[Alias]

Crazykenny, on 18 Jul 2009, 21:15, said:

If you havent even heard Hardstyle, how can you call it mainstream...

Since when did I say I have never heard it? Having some random hardstyle tracks along with the other music mentioned by people here is about a 10:90 ratio to mainstream or at most about 30:70 , if I were to classify my entire music collection as it is at the moment at least 80% (80:20) of it would not be on a major label.

[RaiDK]

What I really cannot stand is where a rapper gets a riff from a song, loops it, talks over the top of it and calls it his own song.

[Ion Cannon!]

Alias, on 18 Jul 2009, 10:38, said:

Lil, on 18 Jul 2009, 12:31, said:

Crazykenny, on 15 Jul 2009, 23:26, said:

I think RAPTOR hit the nail on the head, these days music is overrated its all about bass and being as loud as possible. Dont get my wrong, I listen to hardstyle which is 90% bass. But thats exactly what its ment for, somehow it leaked to other music genre's.

I love hardstyle.

Anyway, I'd guess that most people probably don't care too much about music and treat it as background sound, so they just find whatever's most convenient - that means mainstream music. And you know, they probably don't appreciate music because they don't know what "good" music is BECAUSE they listen to mainstream.
DEADLY CYCLE!
sorry if this post seems idiotic, I'm distracted by like 8 different things right now o_o

To be quite honest with you, almost all of the music you've mentioned to me that you listen to I would classify as 'mainstream'. Almost everyone who has posted in this thread I would classify as listeners of mostly mainstream music. The two people here other than myself who I would classify the least mainstream would probably be Waris (the stuff I've introduced him to) and Bob.

Nice sweeping generalisation there. I doubt even 5% of the music I listen to is mainstream.

[Alias]

Most of your metal I would classify as mainstream.

Anyway, really. In the end there's always going to be someone less 'mainstream' than you, regardless of who you are so I really don't see a point arguing this further. From the most mainstream pop-listening people to the most hardcore music fans who only listen to garage-records of extremely local bands.

[Ixonoclast]

There is mainstream music of everything.

There's mainstream gabber, mainstream techno, mainstream heavy metal, mainstream rap, mainstream punk.

Just listening heavy metal or gabber doesn't mean you're automatically super-tough-underground.

You need to search for the real underground stuff, and judging from your ideas about other music styles you guys never really listened underground music. Especially the metalheads here.

Rap, techno and heavy metal have more in common than you think. Rap is about being a gangsta. Black metal is about killing christians. Both scenes like to show they're tough. Both scenes take band pictures with militaristic aesthetics and pose with weapons.

Now for some exploration within the musical genres.
Necro is a hiphop artist who used to play in heavy metal bands. And Suffocation is a death metal band with some strong ties to the NY hiphop scene and punk scene. The dutch hiphop formation Osdorp Posse uses a lot of heavy metal samples in their music, and actually co-created an album together with the death metal band Nembrionic Hammerdeath. Famous rapper Ice-T formed Body Count, his own heavy metal band. Slayer released Reign in Blood on Def Jam records, a hiphop label. Public Enemy, a famous hiphop group used parts of Slayer's Angel of Death in She Watch Channel Zero, and collaborated with thrash metal band Anthrax on Bring The Noise. Gabber makes extensive use of MC's and even samples hiphop artists. Drum & Bass is the result of techno and hiphop evolving in a new sort of music. Breakcore fuses techno, gabber, hiphop and heavy metal in one sampled musical wave of madness.

Metal meets Hiphop
Necro - Evil Rules feat. Scott Ian (Anthrax), David Ellefson (Megadeth), Ray Alder (Fates Warning)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=X-vr4C0OIPE
Necro - Suffocated to Death by God's Shadow feat. Mike Smith (Suffocation), Steve DiGiorgio (Death, Testament, Autopsy), Mark Morton (Lamb of God) and Brian Fair (Shadows Fall)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=kwpoi69LWiM
Osdorp Posse - Godvoordomme / Waarom altijd waarom? / Echte liefde (It's dutch music)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=LK4iIXibCvM
Osdorp Posse & Nembrionic - Schijnheilhitlers (It's dutch music)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-BiiZJSDIK8
Body Count - Born Dead
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=X-kwNNLmhd8
Public Enemy - She Watch Channel Zero
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=VtF4MKRtHHc
Public Enemy & Anthrax - Bring The Noise
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=RBA-xi8WuCU

Techno/Gabber/Jungle meets Hiphop
Noize Punishment - The Smasher
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ys_dl5xpvtk
Evil Activities & DJ Panic- Never Fall Asleep feat. MC Alee (For your info, MC refers to Master of Ceremonies. It's the oldschool name for rapper.)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=y4f7_neBKJ4
Distortion & MC R.A.W. vs. Bass-D & King Matthew - Raveworld
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=jmBhnRcPVPg
LTJ Bukem feat. Mc Conrad - Big Bud Drum n Bass
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=0UQDnCGHer0
MC Devilman freestyle
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bSYYQEQMwjw
Manzy P & MC Hazard freestyle
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=GGqItoBtstk
Bong-Ra & DAC - Spiegeltje Met Lijntjes (It's dutch music)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=KU6LFEXiITI

And now some stuff that throws EVERYTHING in the mix.
Venetian Snares - A Lot of Drugs
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=SwJYyiLNbVc
Bong-Ra - Varkenslachter
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=8ioo3qf-LLY
Enduser - Kick Dem Down
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-XO4mWLTkLU
Hecate live set @ DeciBELIO Festival
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ipdCCIXonAo


Oh, and before I forget it...

Welcome to the underground.

Edited by Ixonoclast, 19 July 2009 - 12:49.