Gun Control/Concealment
Chyros 07 Nov 2008
Cryptkeeper, on 7 Nov 2008, 4:24, said:
1. please give me a example as to how not making good on threats would do more harm if the assailant runs what does it matter the goal of stopping or preventing the crime is obtained without death?
Cryptkeeper, on 7 Nov 2008, 4:24, said:
thus the gun could be loaded or not in the mind of the assailant it was and you could have very well carried it out and honestly what do alarms etc do the same thing strike fear into the assailant as to prevent crime through intimidation.
Cryptkeeper, on 7 Nov 2008, 4:24, said:
2. ah but i didn't say they would have to do that 24/7 but it would become apart of there long list of duties which would hamper there ability to get the stuff i think is more important such as protecting people from crimes being committed on them and there families instead of crimes being committed just becuase someone possesses something illegal
Cryptkeeper 08 Nov 2008
1. so are you saying a person would not be intimidated by a gun the only time I've ever seen that happen is if they are knocked up full of drugs or have mental disorder beyond the fact if some one tries to pull the gun from you do they or do they not mean harm to a person if you were a cop what would you do in situation were a person is so willing to kills or harm another do you sit there let the criminal walk up and take your gun and shoot you or do you fire on him before he takes your gun ?
so these decisions are very hard to make but there are simply sometimes that people have to make decisions based on there own survival would you get rid of a tool that would increase there survival by what i mean is defense and have them just die becuase they can't protect themselves sure you could tell them to study martial arts or find something to throw or hit them with or maybe a taser or pepper spray but there are times when neither would work so i guess its alright for them to die huh ? just so long as they don't hurt or kill the criminal.
while i admit not all situation nor most situations should be handled by a gun even when it comes to criminal activity there are times when they are very valuable tool for defense when a cop can't be there or help of any kind. That's why i said it takes maturity and intelligence to use them properly of course most people don't fall under this category heck i admit i don't even know if i do I have a lot to still learn
really anyone who tries something like that for most part would have shot or harmed them wither they had a gun or not. people for the most part don't try anything when under fear most flee rather then fight especially when it comes to guns those who fight are those who would have attacked anyways.
yah there more important so is rape assault in fact if you want to get down too it how about we ban cars too they can easily be used as weapon we can't trust them in anybodies hands becuase there are those who would use them as such maybe evewn strap bombs to them and ram magor buildigns cuasing untold amount of death and destruction that a handgun could never dream of doing.
so these decisions are very hard to make but there are simply sometimes that people have to make decisions based on there own survival would you get rid of a tool that would increase there survival by what i mean is defense and have them just die becuase they can't protect themselves sure you could tell them to study martial arts or find something to throw or hit them with or maybe a taser or pepper spray but there are times when neither would work so i guess its alright for them to die huh ? just so long as they don't hurt or kill the criminal.
while i admit not all situation nor most situations should be handled by a gun even when it comes to criminal activity there are times when they are very valuable tool for defense when a cop can't be there or help of any kind. That's why i said it takes maturity and intelligence to use them properly of course most people don't fall under this category heck i admit i don't even know if i do I have a lot to still learn
really anyone who tries something like that for most part would have shot or harmed them wither they had a gun or not. people for the most part don't try anything when under fear most flee rather then fight especially when it comes to guns those who fight are those who would have attacked anyways.
yah there more important so is rape assault in fact if you want to get down too it how about we ban cars too they can easily be used as weapon we can't trust them in anybodies hands becuase there are those who would use them as such maybe evewn strap bombs to them and ram magor buildigns cuasing untold amount of death and destruction that a handgun could never dream of doing.
Chyros 08 Nov 2008
Cryptkeeper, on 8 Nov 2008, 21:20, said:
1. so are you saying a person would not be intimidated by a gun the only time I've ever seen that happen is if they are knocked up full of drugs or have mental disorder
Cryptkeeper, on 8 Nov 2008, 21:20, said:
beyond the fact if some one tries to pull the gun from you do they or do they not mean harm to a person if you were a cop what would you do in situation were a person is so willing to kills or harm another do you sit there let the criminal walk up and take your gun and shoot you or do you fire on him before he takes your gun ?
Cryptkeeper, on 8 Nov 2008, 21:20, said:
so these decisions are very hard to make but there are simply sometimes that people have to make decisions based on there own survival
Cryptkeeper, on 8 Nov 2008, 21:20, said:
just so long as they don't hurt or kill the criminal.
Cryptkeeper, on 8 Nov 2008, 21:20, said:
while i admit not all situation nor most situations should be handled by a gun even when it comes to criminal activity there are times when they are very valuable tool for defense when a cop can't be there or help of any kind. That's why i said it takes maturity and intelligence to use them properly of course most people don't fall under this category heck i admit i don't even know if i do I have a lot to still learn
Cryptkeeper, on 8 Nov 2008, 21:20, said:
really anyone who tries something like that for most part would have shot or harmed them wither they had a gun or not. people for the most part don't try anything when under fear most flee rather then fight especially when it comes to guns those who fight are those who would have attacked anyways.
Cryptkeeper, on 8 Nov 2008, 21:20, said:
yah there more important so is rape assault in fact if you want to get down too it how about we ban cars too they can easily be used as weapon we can't trust them in anybodies hands becuase there are those who would use them as such maybe evewn strap bombs to them and ram magor buildigns cuasing untold amount of death and destruction that a handgun could never dream of doing.
Cryptkeeper 09 Nov 2008
well honestly about the car thing i did take into account their main purpose but that doesn't eliminate the fact they can easily be used for other purposes ;just like guns there meant for killing yes but only in defense at least thats what i believe others probably think differently
so why not have people specially licensed like cops to get firearms ? and also I would have to say cops tend to abuse firearms at least in the usa more then civilians do
after living with people many many people who have firearms i can absolutely say this is wrong in fact where i live texas that is what people mostly use guns for defense and hunting(mostly this tho). you only hear about the opposite becuase well the media in general don't like to give good stories when bad stories that shock or other wise effect there emotional senses makes them more money. so a lot times your hearing the minority not the majority.
and trust me i get your reasoning and i even agree to a point with you about guns but I also think that the freedom to have firearms is more important then the risk of legally licensed weapons to fall into peoples hands becuase wither legal or not people will get them and more often or not the guns who used to do something violent are not licensed and are illegally bought or stolen which is why you should all ways have your guns locked up like my dad does.
there's a reason why they get them illegally to a. they are ex cons already b. they don't want any trail of there crime often times guns that are licensed have a paper trail that cops can easily follow c. they want to buy somethign that normally are not sold in your average gun shop ak47s uzi's most any weapon that is auto.
and all tho this may seem like weak reason but with out guns how would you protect yourself from a government that decides to turn facist abandoning the for the people by the people in are constitution it would be quite hard to rebel or or flee from prosecution not normal every day scenario but one must be ready for just about every thing lol
I enjoyed are discussion I'm eager to hear your reply. *all tho I feel like I'm the only one defending guns XD and i don't even own gun a or plan to get one but I value the freedom to choose to get one for hunting or defense*
Edited by Cryptkeeper, 09 November 2008 - 07:13.
so why not have people specially licensed like cops to get firearms ? and also I would have to say cops tend to abuse firearms at least in the usa more then civilians do
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You are overlooking here that cars have a different main purpose and are used by the gross majority of people for transportation, hence why it is unthinkable to ban cars. The majority of small arms are used to kill, wound, threaten and destroy. Only relatively few people use it for sport. And defence.... :rolleyes
after living with people many many people who have firearms i can absolutely say this is wrong in fact where i live texas that is what people mostly use guns for defense and hunting(mostly this tho). you only hear about the opposite becuase well the media in general don't like to give good stories when bad stories that shock or other wise effect there emotional senses makes them more money. so a lot times your hearing the minority not the majority.
and trust me i get your reasoning and i even agree to a point with you about guns but I also think that the freedom to have firearms is more important then the risk of legally licensed weapons to fall into peoples hands becuase wither legal or not people will get them and more often or not the guns who used to do something violent are not licensed and are illegally bought or stolen which is why you should all ways have your guns locked up like my dad does.
there's a reason why they get them illegally to a. they are ex cons already b. they don't want any trail of there crime often times guns that are licensed have a paper trail that cops can easily follow c. they want to buy somethign that normally are not sold in your average gun shop ak47s uzi's most any weapon that is auto.
and all tho this may seem like weak reason but with out guns how would you protect yourself from a government that decides to turn facist abandoning the for the people by the people in are constitution it would be quite hard to rebel or or flee from prosecution not normal every day scenario but one must be ready for just about every thing lol
I enjoyed are discussion I'm eager to hear your reply. *all tho I feel like I'm the only one defending guns XD and i don't even own gun a or plan to get one but I value the freedom to choose to get one for hunting or defense*
Edited by Cryptkeeper, 09 November 2008 - 07:13.
Chyros 09 Nov 2008
Cryptkeeper, on 9 Nov 2008, 9:06, said:
so why not have people specially licensed like cops to get firearms ?
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You are overlooking here that cars have a different main purpose and are used by the gross majority of people for transportation, hence why it is unthinkable to ban cars. The majority of small arms are used to kill, wound, threaten and destroy. Only relatively few people use it for sport. And defence.... :rolleyes
Cryptkeeper, on 9 Nov 2008, 9:06, said:
becuase wither legal or not people will get them
Cryptkeeper, on 9 Nov 2008, 9:06, said:
and all tho this may seem like weak reason but with out guns how would you protect yourself from a government that decides to turn facist abandoning the for the people by the people in are constitution it would be quite hard to rebel or or flee from prosecution not normal every day scenario but one must be ready for just about every thing lol
Cryptkeeper, on 9 Nov 2008, 9:06, said:
I enjoyed are discussion I'm eager to hear your reply. *all tho I feel like I'm the only one defending guns XD and i don't even own gun a or plan to get one but I value the freedom to choose to get one for hunting or defense*
Edited by Chyros, 09 November 2008 - 10:50.