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Whitey's Photo Whitey 17 Jan 2009

View PostWNxmastrefubu, on 16 Jan 2009, 23:17, said:

its a dialect. at heart there the same


That comment was in response to this. I'm fully aware that they are all Latin languages. But with the logic in his comment, it can be inferred that all Latin languages are the same language, simply different dialects. I disagree with this. Granted, there are cognates, but that doesn't mean that the languages are the same, even if of the same origin.

-Rorschach

Edited by Rorschach, 17 January 2009 - 18:29.
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Z_mann's Photo Z_mann 20 Jan 2009

View PostCodeCat, on 16 Jan 2009, 14:20, said:

Now the issue of spelling. Personally I don't consider it an issue at all, because it stands entirely separate from language. Djust bikoz ai rait inglish laik dhis duz not meik it anudher langwedzh. It's still the same language, just represented in writing in a different way. I could write it in Cyrillic and it would still be English.


Аре јоу абсолутелеј цертаин тхат ис цореццт? Бецаусе и'м нот со суре мајселф...

Sorry, just had to do it :duh:

Anyways, isn't there supposed to be an official declaration on this matter? Because, all we have is opinions right now.
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Chyros's Photo Chyros 20 Jan 2009

View PostZ_mann, on 21 Jan 2009, 1:02, said:

View PostCodeCat, on 16 Jan 2009, 14:20, said:

Now the issue of spelling. Personally I don't consider it an issue at all, because it stands entirely separate from language. Djust bikoz ai rait inglish laik dhis duz not meik it anudher langwedzh. It's still the same language, just represented in writing in a different way. I could write it in Cyrillic and it would still be English.


Аре јоу абсолутелеј цертаин тхат ис цореццт? Бецаусе и'м нот со суре мајселф...
Are you absolutely certain that is correct? Because I'm not so sure myself. Really not difficult.

But transliteration is something else than orthography, IMO they can't be compared. Both English and American write with the same alphabet. Still they spell things differently. A lot, in fact. Can you smell sulphur in the centre of your favourite neighbourhood?
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Whitey's Photo Whitey 20 Jan 2009

Yet the spelling differences are so minute that they are easily understood either way, no?

-Rorschach
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CodeCat's Photo CodeCat 21 Jan 2009

View PostZ_mann, on 21 Jan 2009, 0:02, said:

Аре јоу абсолутелеј цертаин тхат ис цореццт? Бецаусе и'м нот со суре мајселф...

Essentially, spelling is arbitrary just as the symbols used to represent words are arbitrary. The only thing that makes any writing English is that it is understood to be English by others. If I decide to write English in Chinese characters, then most of you would say it's no longer English. But what if you and the rest of English speakers had learned that each of those characters had an English word associated with it, just as they have Chinese words associated with them as well? To take the matter even further, there are actually languages that are written in more than one writing system. Serbian for example can be written in both the Latin and Cyrillic alphabets. Korean, for a while at least, was written with both the native Hangul system and Chinese characters.

So the matter is simply whether a certain manner of writing is accepted by speakers of that language. English speakers are likely to accept only the Latin alphabet, and only when the letters of that alphabet are arranged in the ways according to English spelling rules. Yet my point is still shown: writing is merely a representation of language, and does not have any bearing on the internal structure of the language itself. English is still English no matter how you represent its words.
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BeefJeRKy's Photo BeefJeRKy 23 Jan 2009

View PostRorschach, on 20 Jan 2009, 18:42, said:

Yet the spelling differences are so minute that they are easily understood either way, no?

-Rorschach

Indeed I would say they are more or less the same languages with some different words sprinkled here and there.
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Dr. Strangelove's Photo Dr. Strangelove 23 Jan 2009

For once, I have an agreement with CC in the PC.

My 2 cents: I use British spellings very frequently(probably because I read The Economist), and nobody seems to notice.
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