WikiLeaks 1-0 US Military
Jok3r 08 Apr 2010
Wizard, on 7 Apr 2010, 20:00, said:
Technically under certain laws in the US, indifference to human life is also an offence. By not attempting to assist a wounded person they would be guilty likewise.
Uh... no. The closest thing to what you're talking about are good samaritan laws, which protect those who choose to try to help someone. There are no laws that make not helping someone who's injured criminalized, unless the victim is under the responsibility of the caregiver (IE: Police, Firemen, Lifeguards, EMS personnel). This does not apply to anyone else... There are codes doctors follow about assistance, but again, that's only doctors.
SquigPie 08 Apr 2010
W!, on 8 Apr 2010, 4:19, said:
After watching all that and reading some of the replies, all I thought/said was 'meh'.
Then I realised how apathetic and careless my reaction was and am now just a tad confused about how I came to be so desensitised.
Though, I'm sure it has somethign to do with playing GTA4 until late at night, how many people can I roadkill in that crowd? Maybe playing COD over and over amassing the biggest killstreak I could. Battlefield maybe? Gunning in an Apache, the fuzzy little black and white screen. Somoenes running to B flag. Fire a few shots, you see the tracers smash into the floor and throw dirt and debris 10ft in the air. 50 points. Sorted.
Meh...
Then I realised how apathetic and careless my reaction was and am now just a tad confused about how I came to be so desensitised.
Though, I'm sure it has somethign to do with playing GTA4 until late at night, how many people can I roadkill in that crowd? Maybe playing COD over and over amassing the biggest killstreak I could. Battlefield maybe? Gunning in an Apache, the fuzzy little black and white screen. Somoenes running to B flag. Fire a few shots, you see the tracers smash into the floor and throw dirt and debris 10ft in the air. 50 points. Sorted.
Meh...
You really are a disturbing fella, mate...
Golan 08 Apr 2010
Kalo, on 7 Apr 2010, 22:58, said:
I wasn't going to reply again. But every ones response about how horrible it is and how absolutely inhumane it is ; is just hilarious. You really think this video will stop this? No, not only that but there are more countries then just the United States that do this. Stop thinking the US is a horrible beast that needs to be stopped. Everyone of your countries was quick to jump on the "invade Iraq" bandwagon. It wasn't even funny. And before you go "Oh my Country wouldn't do this, that's just wrong." Simplest things can bring out a "monster" in any man. It's in you too, you ; under the right circumstances. Would do this too. And probably regret it obviously. I wouldn't doubt that the gunner is still probably thinking about this.
Second, on the same line, instead of arguing that the US isn't a horrible beast because there are others like it, perhaps you might want to consider that the actual conclusion from this is that the US simply isn't the only horrible beast, no?
Third, many countries (not all, mind you) jump the bandwagon, but it's striking how often it's the US that was first and invites the others.
And last, the debate pretty much is about whether or not these were the right circumstances to begin with...
Kalo, on 7 Apr 2010, 22:58, said:
They were not wrong for thinking it proper to engage those civilians which they thought were insurgents (Which was obviously bad in retrospect), They are wrong for shooting a Van with children in it. Even if they did not know. BUT I cannot say they "didn't have it coming" because a car like that can easily contain an IED or anything else of malicious nature. If the vehicle had been marked or something with a call sign or the fact that it was an ambulance and the US Military still engaged then I could recognize this as wrong. then I'd say "What monsters!".
Kalo, on 7 Apr 2010, 22:58, said:
Would I do it? Yes. I'd have to live with that. but I'd also have to live with the fact that my inaction could have lead to the deaths of my brothers - Quoting my brother here. And I believe the same thing.
Wizard, on 7 Apr 2010, 23:28, said:
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They were not wrong for thinking it proper to engage those civilians which they thought were insurgents (Which was obviously bad in retrospect)
Wizard, on 7 Apr 2010, 23:28, said:
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BUT I cannot say they "didn't have it coming" because a car like that can easily contain an IED or anything else of malicious nature. If the vehicle had been marked or something with a call sign or the fact that it was an ambulance and the US Military still engaged then I could recognize this as wrong. then I'd say "What monsters!".
W!, on 8 Apr 2010, 2:19, said:
After watching all that and reading some of the replies, all I thought/said was 'meh'.
Then I realised how apathetic and careless my reaction was and am now just a tad confused about how I came to be so desensitised.
Though, I'm sure it has somethign to do with playing GTA4 until late at night, how many people can I roadkill in that crowd? Maybe playing COD over and over amassing the biggest killstreak I could. Battlefield maybe? Gunning in an Apache, the fuzzy little black and white screen. Somoenes running to B flag. Fire a few shots, you see the tracers smash into the floor and throw dirt and debris 10ft in the air. 50 points. Sorted.
Then I realised how apathetic and careless my reaction was and am now just a tad confused about how I came to be so desensitised.
Though, I'm sure it has somethign to do with playing GTA4 until late at night, how many people can I roadkill in that crowd? Maybe playing COD over and over amassing the biggest killstreak I could. Battlefield maybe? Gunning in an Apache, the fuzzy little black and white screen. Somoenes running to B flag. Fire a few shots, you see the tracers smash into the floor and throw dirt and debris 10ft in the air. 50 points. Sorted.
Jok3r, on 8 Apr 2010, 2:28, said:
Uh... no. The closest thing to what you're talking about are good samaritan laws, which protect those who choose to try to help someone. There are no laws that make not helping someone who's injured criminalized, unless the victim is under the responsibility of the caregiver (IE: Police, Firemen, Lifeguards, EMS personnel). This does not apply to anyone else... There are codes doctors follow about assistance, but again, that's only doctors.
SquigPie 08 Apr 2010
Yeah, he's got a wierd ability to speak everyone's opinion. And make everyone agree with him.
Possibly the anti-christ.
Possibly the anti-christ.
Jok3r 08 Apr 2010
Golan, on 8 Apr 2010, 3:54, said:
Jok3r, on 8 Apr 2010, 2:28, said:
Uh... no. The closest thing to what you're talking about are good samaritan laws, which protect those who choose to try to help someone. There are no laws that make not helping someone who's injured criminalized, unless the victim is under the responsibility of the caregiver (IE: Police, Firemen, Lifeguards, EMS personnel). This does not apply to anyone else... There are codes doctors follow about assistance, but again, that's only doctors.
Oh, I figured so much, but I was only responding to Wiz's comment directed at the US.