WikiLeaks publishes 391832 dossiers on Iraq
Chyros 23 Oct 2010
WikiLeaks has just published the next batch of dossiers on the war in Iraq. The dossiers were written by American military personnel.
Among others, it states that the total amount of casualties of war so far are 109032; 66081 civilians, 23984 insurgents, 15196 Iraqi military and police personnel, and 3771 coalition troops. That's 62% civilian casualties. The dossiers also make mention of murder, abuse, rape and torture of prisoners, cover-ups and involvement of Blackwater mercenaries (more murder).
The US authorities state that the release of the dossiers puts coalition troops' and informers' lives at risk despite all names and places and some other stuff being crossed out, and that the dossiers do not give a complete picture of the situations, and demands WikiLeaks to remove the documents.
Discuss.
Among others, it states that the total amount of casualties of war so far are 109032; 66081 civilians, 23984 insurgents, 15196 Iraqi military and police personnel, and 3771 coalition troops. That's 62% civilian casualties. The dossiers also make mention of murder, abuse, rape and torture of prisoners, cover-ups and involvement of Blackwater mercenaries (more murder).
The US authorities state that the release of the dossiers puts coalition troops' and informers' lives at risk despite all names and places and some other stuff being crossed out, and that the dossiers do not give a complete picture of the situations, and demands WikiLeaks to remove the documents.
Discuss.
Wizard 23 Oct 2010
Chyros, on 23 Oct 2010, 11:49, said:
The US authorities state that the release of the dossiers puts coalition troops' and informers' lives at risk
Chyros 23 Oct 2010
Wizard, on 24 Oct 2010, 0:03, said:
Chyros, on 23 Oct 2010, 11:49, said:
The US authorities state that the release of the dossiers puts coalition troops' and informers' lives at risk
Still, I have to say I approve of WikiLeaks big time. The guy behind it can only be said to have brass balls, and though it won't do anything in the US itself I think it's good that there's whistleblowers like this. Puts international politics a lot more into perspective, I'd say.
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Not surprised really, War makes monsters of men.
Edited by Chyros, 23 October 2010 - 23:25.
BeefJeRKy 24 Oct 2010
I believe someone once linked me to something similar related to Israel but I don't have the link.
SquigPie 24 Oct 2010
How exactly does WikiLeaks get it's intel? Are they hackers or do they get their info from witnesses and insiders?
CJ 24 Oct 2010
WikiLeaks is affiliated to ThePirateBay (Judging by how this former website always defends them and advertises their site), so I'd guess they must be pirating some of info at least...
Hobbesy 24 Oct 2010
Chyros, on 23 Oct 2010, 4:49, said:
Among others, it states that the total amount of casualties of war so far are 109032; 66081 civilians, 23984 insurgents, 15196 Iraqi military and police personnel, and 3771 coalition troops. That's 62% civilian casualties.
It also states that most civilian casualties were caused by other Iraqis and the Iraqi Security Forces than by Coalition Forces. The Wikileaks leak of the documents are also more censored than the declassified Pentagon versions. However, there's more done to minimize the risk to Iraqis who are in the documents than the declassified versions.
Edited by Hobbesy, 24 October 2010 - 16:42.
SquigPie 24 Oct 2010
CJ, on 24 Oct 2010, 18:26, said:
WikiLeaks is affiliated to ThePirateBay (Judging by how this former website always defends them and advertises their site), so I'd guess they must be pirating some of info at least...
Wait, if they pirate it, does that mean that you can go into stores and buy intel like this?
Edited by SquigPie, 24 October 2010 - 16:49.
CJ 24 Oct 2010
Not in stores, but you can probably find a few hackers who can access this kind of information, yeah...
Alias 24 Oct 2010
Most of it is leaked from insiders. In these sorts of cases, likely to be army personnel.
Wizard 24 Oct 2010
CJ, on 24 Oct 2010, 17:50, said:
Not in stores, but you can probably find a few hackers who can access this kind of information, yeah...
IIRC it was a hacker that grassed up the insider who is currently under arrest for the leak of the Apache attack on the Reuters reporter + civilians. You have to laugh at the irony of a hacker thinking that it wasn't right to let that sort of thing into the public domain.....
Edited by Wizard, 24 October 2010 - 17:02.
Chyros 24 Oct 2010
SquigPie, on 24 Oct 2010, 18:19, said:
How exactly does WikiLeaks get it's intel? Are they hackers or do they get their info from witnesses and insiders?
CJ, on 24 Oct 2010, 18:26, said:
WikiLeaks is affiliated to ThePirateBay (Judging by how this former website always defends them and advertises their site), so I'd guess they must be pirating some of info at least...
Hobbesy, on 24 Oct 2010, 18:41, said:
Chyros, on 23 Oct 2010, 4:49, said:
Among others, it states that the total amount of casualties of war so far are 109032; 66081 civilians, 23984 insurgents, 15196 Iraqi military and police personnel, and 3771 coalition troops. That's 62% civilian casualties.
It also states that most civilian casualties were caused by other Iraqis and the Iraqi Security Forces than by Coalition Forces.
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The Wikileaks leak of the documents are also more censored than the declassified Pentagon versions. However, there's more done to minimize the risk to Iraqis who are in the documents than the declassified versions.
CJ 24 Oct 2010
Chyros, on 24 Oct 2010, 21:39, said:
Hobbesy, on 24 Oct 2010, 18:41, said:
Chyros, on 23 Oct 2010, 4:49, said:
Among others, it states that the total amount of casualties of war so far are 109032; 66081 civilians, 23984 insurgents, 15196 Iraqi military and police personnel, and 3771 coalition troops. That's 62% civilian casualties.
It also states that most civilian casualties were caused by other Iraqis and the Iraqi Security Forces than by Coalition Forces.
Actually, from what I've read before you posted this link, it looked more like that the Coalition Forces covered some of the abuses that were committed before the war...