London burns
CJ 10 Aug 2011
Wizard 10 Aug 2011
And water cannons, whether we had them or not , would not be effective. This isn't an organised protest turned violent. There aren't hundreds upons thousands of people bearing down on one spot. It is lots and lots of small groups throwing things through shop windows and stealing stock. There is very little way the police can counter this. I've gotten bored of watching riot gear clad police chasing up a street 200m behind a group of 15, 15 year olds.
It's not really even a riot, it's extreme antisocial behaviour.
Chyros 10 Aug 2011
CJ, on 10 August 2011 - 07:23, said:
Alias 10 Aug 2011
Wizard, on 10 August 2011 - 07:36, said:
I also posted that as it was some relevance to Ion's comment that the police did the 'right' thing.
Chyros, on 10 August 2011 - 07:37, said:
CJ, on 10 August 2011 - 07:23, said:
Sure I'd be pretty peeved if my car was destroyed but under no circumstances whatsoever is property worth more than a human life, this is why I staunchly oppose the whole castle doctrine thing which seems to be so crash-hot in the US.
There's also something called insurance.
Raven 10 Aug 2011
Wizard 10 Aug 2011
Raven, on 10 August 2011 - 08:05, said:
Ion Cannon! 10 Aug 2011
Wizard, on 10 August 2011 - 08:14, said:
Raven, on 10 August 2011 - 08:05, said:
Indeed, the top cops are the ones who have to make the big decisions (The office ones) and they've probably got a lawyer on one side and a human rights activitst on the other. They're not kids, they're rabid animals.
Nid 10 Aug 2011
This is NOT about Mark Duggan. Exactly as Wiz said, this is about teenagers doing exactly what they want to do. This happens a lot, it is mindless pointless voilence that is typical of these kinds of people, but it happens in isolated incidents, and not as severe are the consequences. There is no clear source of the problem, they speak to news crews talking of the fact that the rich have taken jobs away from them, put them in the place they are today. This is a cover, a guise with which they can move around the country destroying communities and buisnesses. If the Government listened, increased funding into education "allowing these kids the opportunities they deserve" then nothing will change.
I've seen kids like this time and time again in society, and they reject any and all help they are offered. There is no excuse for this behaviour, and if you want to blame anything at all, it's allowing their cuntish parents to sit on their arses all day breeding, not caring, making appearances on the Jeremy Kyle show, and sponging money off the government, money they don't deserve. The kids are headed the same way, repeat cycle.
Chyros 10 Aug 2011
Alias, on 10 August 2011 - 07:59, said:
Wizard, on 10 August 2011 - 08:14, said:
Raven, on 10 August 2011 - 08:05, said:
Ion Cannon! 10 Aug 2011
Alias 10 Aug 2011
Ion Cannon!, on 10 August 2011 - 12:00, said:
Wizard 10 Aug 2011
Chyros, on 10 August 2011 - 11:55, said:
Edit:
David Cameron said:
Edited by Wizard, 10 August 2011 - 12:19.
Nid 10 Aug 2011
Alias, on 10 August 2011 - 12:11, said:
Ion Cannon!, on 10 August 2011 - 12:00, said:
Minus the fact that these people are ACTUALLY causing trouble.
Ion Cannon! 10 Aug 2011
SquigPie 10 Aug 2011
Wizard, on 10 August 2011 - 12:16, said:
David Cameron said:
Afraid to tell you Wiz, but that GIF has quite a different meaning if you know where it's from.
Still, the point stands, and I completely agree.
Edited by SquigPie, 10 August 2011 - 12:46.
Alias 10 Aug 2011
Nid, on 10 August 2011 - 12:38, said:
Alias, on 10 August 2011 - 12:11, said:
Ion Cannon!, on 10 August 2011 - 12:00, said:
Minus the fact that these people are ACTUALLY causing trouble.
You've identified the source of the problem as their attitude. How do you plan to fix their attitude?
Ion Cannon!, on 10 August 2011 - 12:44, said:
Edited by Alias, 10 August 2011 - 12:49.
Ion Cannon! 10 Aug 2011
You also don't seem to understand, the source of these people is the people themselves. And it simply isn't possible to take all the children from the suspect parents into social care. This also all costs more money, money we don't have.
Anyway, sign this = http://epetitions.di.../petitions/7337
Nid 10 Aug 2011
Combatting peopel like this is difficult, especially when they show no regard for human nights, where as the authorities have to.
Alias 10 Aug 2011
Ion Cannon!, on 10 August 2011 - 12:53, said:
You also don't seem to understand, the source of these people is the people themselves. And it simply isn't possible to take all the children from the suspect parents into social care. This also all costs more money, money we don't have.
Anyway, sign this = http://epetitions.di.../petitions/7337
Nid, on 10 August 2011 - 12:55, said:
Combatting peopel like this is difficult, especially when they show no regard for human nights, where as the authorities have to.
In semi-related news, pretty ironic that Cameron had plans to cut funding to the police department, think that one will be off the agenda for a while.
Ion Cannon! 10 Aug 2011
Edited by Ion Cannon!, 10 August 2011 - 13:08.
Wizard 10 Aug 2011
The UK went to hell in a handbasket circa 1997 and now we're not just paying for it economically, we're paying for it socially as well.
Nid 10 Aug 2011
Alias, on 10 August 2011 - 13:02, said:
Ion Cannon!, on 10 August 2011 - 12:53, said:
You also don't seem to understand, the source of these people is the people themselves. And it simply isn't possible to take all the children from the suspect parents into social care. This also all costs more money, money we don't have.
Anyway, sign this = http://epetitions.di.../petitions/7337
Nid, on 10 August 2011 - 12:55, said:
Combatting peopel like this is difficult, especially when they show no regard for human nights, where as the authorities have to.
In semi-related news, pretty ironic that Cameron had plans to cut funding to the police department, think that one will be off the agenda for a while.
I dont understand how you can comment on any of this in the way you have, without having lived in this country, hearing only what you have from news sources on the opposite side of the world, and reading what we have all written in this thread, only offering contradictory responses? You're entitled to your opinion, but I can assure you that jailing these people, giving them community service will not solve the issue of their attitude, which is the question you asked earlier. We need a permanent fix, not a temporary fix that is going to either anger them further, or create a generation of even more thugish brutish criminals, who care even less for the wellbeing of others around them.
What I am saying is finding an answer to this is just not as simple as sending them to prison, whether the government chooses to do so or not. Personally, I cannot offer you a solution that will work without breaching Uk or International legislation.
Edited by Nid, 10 August 2011 - 13:12.
Ion Cannon! 10 Aug 2011
Edited by Ion Cannon!, 10 August 2011 - 13:15.
Alias 10 Aug 2011
Ion Cannon!, on 10 August 2011 - 13:07, said:
Wizard, on 10 August 2011 - 13:08, said:
The UK went to hell in a handbasket circa 1997 and now we're not just paying for it economically, we're paying for it socially as well.
Nid, on 10 August 2011 - 13:11, said:
What I am saying is finding an answer to this is just not as simple as sending them to prison, whether the government chooses to do so or not. Personally, I cannot offer you a solution that will work without breaching Uk or International legislation.
I don't quite understand how you're saying "they don't fear authority!" yet you oppose utilising the primary punitive method of your country.
Edited by Alias, 10 August 2011 - 13:23.
Wizard 10 Aug 2011
Alias, on 10 August 2011 - 13:22, said:
Alias, on 10 August 2011 - 13:22, said:
Alias, on 10 August 2011 - 13:22, said:
On a separate note, whilst I applaud the "efforts" of the people in the link. This is only going to end badly.
http://news.sky.com/...rticle/16046910
Drunken blokes wandering Enfield at night, surrounded by riot police is a receipe for complete and utter disaster.
Edited by Wizard, 10 August 2011 - 13:35.