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[Overdose]

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Petitions are no good but how can you disagree?

[Whitey]

Hate to say it, but a few picctures don't make up a civilization. The Middle East and the West are really quite different worlds.

That aside, I agree with the video in the fact that I want peace. But peace is far from close... sadly. And this is do to strongly opposed viewpoints, relating to my first statement.

So while I agree that we should have peace talks, I don't see them going anywhere.

And ain't this just a tad political?

[Sgt. Nuker]

We all shed the same tears, we all bleed the same, and we all want the same for our children. We all want the best, and the best isn't always readily available for most. A very provacative statement, and it definately holds some truth. People all over the world do similar things, but you never hear about the mundane things, or the kind/generous/humane things that are done across the globe. You always hear about terror bombings, and see how the media perpetuates that muslims are tyrannical and fanatical. That they dress their children in bullet belts and stick an AK in their right hand and a bundle of C4 in the other. No, it's all LIES! The media spills these phalacies onto the airwaves knowing full well that a majority of the masses will ingest the information no questions asked. Just because a woman's Muslim doesn't make her a terrorist or a fanatical. The peaceful Muslims have been type-cast, and the media doesn't care. Judgemental lies will spread like wildfire, and once they hit the airwaves, it's but a matter of time before Joe-Schmoe hears them on the 6 o'clock news....and believes every word he hears.

Something must be done. Truth needs to be made known to the world again. The media needs an overhaul.


Regards,

Nuker

[CoLT]

Well if you've seen The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare, you will find a message in it that is quite similar to the beginning of Nuker's post.

"If you poison us, do we not die? If you cut us, do we not bleed?" and so forth.

What people commonly overlook nowadays is that everyone is different. Whether subtly or not. Everyone has this idea that conformity is the only way to be accepted and that acceptance is the essence of life. It's disturbing, to say the least.

[Whitey]

Yes, I did a paper on media bias (though it was unrelated in the actual topic) but all the stories focused on terrorism and death and destruction. Negativity. This gives Joe Schmoe a very pessimistic view of the world around him and because he doesn't see it on a day-to-day basis, it actually builds up his own self-image. So its a double-edged sword, where both edges are sticking in to Mr. Schmoe's stomach, because the media is fucking him over in any way possible.

Media in the world, all over, is bull shit. Why? Because today, it's a political tool more than anything else. We'd be better off ignoring every bit of it we hear...

And at Colt, I think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would disagree with what you just said. While it is true that two societies can coexist on the same planet, is it really always for the better? Two different civilizations may be able to coexist, but when they begin to intermingle, entering each others' territories, and paying attention to what the other does... well, then you get the negativity out of it.

Edited by δαίμονας, 07 July 2007 - 03:44.

[Overdose]

The view of the world's common folk has been twisted in a way it's almost irreparable. People no longer need the media to pollute their minds the damage done is in many times permanent. Human beings have always feared what is different to them but haven't we evolved not even slightly within the last 3000 thousand years? Just because someone goes to a different church than you, is darker/lighter skinned or speaks a different language than us why are they in many times considered a threat?

Uniformity would be the doom of this world and the birth of a new world populated by clones created at the image of our own twisted ideals of correctness. Humanity could get so much better with an extra spoon of acceptance after meals.

[Golan]

A biased, propagandistic promo-message for the other side of the coin won´t make things any better either...

Danmid, saying that all we have to do for a life in unity in peace is standing up and deciding for peace is just about as starry-eyed as thinking that everyone living 500km away from your hometown is a bloodthursty terrorist in league with the devil. No matter how biased the media may argue, the things they are telling about mostly do happen. It´s NOT a lie that there are muslims that dress their children in bullet belts and stick an AK in their right hand and a bundle of C4 in the other. It´s NOT a lie that those pledging for peace and freedom station their troops in other nations with the intent to have them stay there for several decades. It´s NOT a lie that on any side you can find some that would slaughter another man without remorse. Naively marching for peace will only make things worse.

[Whitey]

Golan, on 7 Jul 2007, 10:39, said:

A biased, propagandistic promo-message for the other side of the coin won´t make things any better either...

Danmid, saying that all we have to do for a life in unity in peace is standing up and deciding for peace is just about as starry-eyed as thinking that everyone living 500km away from your hometown is a bloodthursty terrorist in league with the devil. No matter how biased the media may argue, the things they are telling about mostly do happen. It´s NOT a lie that there are muslims that dress their children in bullet belts and stick an AK in their right hand and a bundle of C4 in the other. It´s NOT a lie that those pledging for peace and freedom station their troops in other nations with the intent to have them stay there for several decades. It´s NOT a lie that on any side you can find some that would slaughter another man without remorse. Naively marching for peace will only make things worse.

QFT. We can't fix such a problem by demanding peace, because there are some that just don't want peace.

[Rayburn]

Exactly. Heck, all these campaigns that demand people "to do the first step". The first step isn't worth anything if the other side doesn't give a damn about it.

[Soul]

Major Nuker, on 6 Jul 2007, 23:34, said:

We all shed the same tears, we all bleed the same, and we all want the same for our children. We all want the best, and the best isn't always readily available for most. A very provacative statement, and it definately holds some truth. People all over the world do similar things, but you never hear about the mundane things, or the kind/generous/humane things that are done across the globe. You always hear about terror bombings, and see how the media perpetuates that muslims are tyrannical and fanatical. That they dress their children in bullet belts and stick an AK in their right hand and a bundle of C4 in the other. No, it's all LIES! The media spills these phalacies onto the airwaves knowing full well that a majority of the masses will ingest the information no questions asked. Just because a woman's Muslim doesn't make her a terrorist or a fanatical. The peaceful Muslims have been type-cast, and the media doesn't care. Judgemental lies will spread like wildfire, and once they hit the airwaves, it's but a matter of time before Joe-Schmoe hears them on the 6 o'clock news....and believes every word he hears.

Something must be done. Truth needs to be made known to the world again. The media needs an overhaul.


Regards,

Nuker

QUOTED FOR GREAT TRUTH AND JUSTICE!

Edited by Soul, 07 July 2007 - 18:34.

[CoLT]

δαίμο�, on 7 Jul 2007, 11:41, said:

And at Colt, I think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would disagree with what you just said. While it is true that two societies can coexist on the same planet, is it really always for the better? Two different civilizations may be able to coexist, but when they begin to intermingle, entering each others' territories, and paying attention to what the other does... well, then you get the negativity out of it.

I based my idea off teens and their tendency to conform to social trends. I was talking about conformity in general instead of seperate societies and their differences.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Golan, on 7 Jul 2007, 10:39, said:

A biased, propagandistic promo-message for the other side of the coin won´t make things any better either...

Danmid, saying that all we have to do for a life in unity in peace is standing up and deciding for peace is just about as starry-eyed as thinking that everyone living 500km away from your hometown is a bloodthursty terrorist in league with the devil. No matter how biased the media may argue, the things they are telling about mostly do happen. It´s NOT a lie that there are muslims that dress their children in bullet belts and stick an AK in their right hand and a bundle of C4 in the other. It´s NOT a lie that those pledging for peace and freedom station their troops in other nations with the intent to have them stay there for several decades. It´s NOT a lie that on any side you can find some that would slaughter another man without remorse. Naively marching for peace will only make things worse.

YES! Finally some steaming hot reality in this wishy washy, touchy feely, peace promo!

As much as I hate to admit it, and I really hate to admit it, nothing would exist without "war" on some scale. It's part of my Libertarian philosophy.

War makes civilisaztion stronger by a Darwinian natural selection process among countries, just like animals, and companies (although that's referred to as capitalism). War is like market competition. Asking for world peace is like asking for the failed socialist utopia that wouldn't have been a utopia anyhow.

[Whitey]

Not exactly the topic, at least from what I read and watched.

Societies do differ and we really are very varied. Technologically, culturally, everything. The only resemblence is that we are all human, and that is quite a broad category. Why? Because humans, together or not, are all dissimilar. This "Clash of Civilizations" is simply generalization of generalized groups of the generalized human race. And in the modern era, thanks to various events dating back decades now, it would appear a few select groups including the Muslims, have had a couple of their rotten apples produce for them a negative generalization. And while anybody from any group can be a "terrorist", fact is, they weren't in our time. Therefore, in our time, the Muslim is the terrorist stereotype. This is wrong. But taking the first step in promoting peace, that's a big leap from where we just were isn't it?

Peace in the Middle East and generalization of Muslims are two VERY different categories. Contrary to some obvious belief, the War on Terror is not a war on the Muslim people at all, it just happens to be in the neighborhood. So this demand of peace is based on a false premise and thus has no standing. While our civilizations may be alike emotionally and all that peace-loving crap, it has nothing to do with the war, and whatever it is being fought over, it isn't that.

[Golan]

The Outsider, on 9 Jul 2007, 6:03, said:

YES! Finally some steaming hot reality in this wishy washy, touchy feely, peace promo!

Judging from your post, it seems you have missunderstood my point a bit.

"Peace" that is achieved by manipulating the masses into following a false ideal will only result in a ticking time bomb that will sooner or later errupt with war again. Grandscale, idiotic slaughtering. I´d suggest reading "the Wave" and multiplying it on a global level while leaving out a potent authority.
Peace is something that is to be achieved by every individual, not a mass. It requires sacrifice, but not of those opposed but of oneself. Seeing how deep humanity can be in doo-doo, I´m not trying to say that peace can only be achieved when you turn into a pacifist, do it the vegan way of live and get a broadband connection linking your soul directly to the cosmos. There are situations in which not peace but a certain "calmness" has to be brought to a conflict in order for peace to have a fundament. The thoughtful use of violence can be a potent possibility to do so, but it is a double-edged sword when not acting carefully.