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[Vengence]

"There's only ONE color in the army. And that's GREEN!"
"Uh everything is brown... You know, desert and all."
"Shut up!"

Can't remember where I got that but it's true . I think those tanks are just base yellow brownish or green.

[Rot Front]

Hmm... I think replacement of color on texture will take no more than a few minutes...

P.S. 'Full' Abrams skin:

And HMMWV without camo, but more dirty


P.S.-2 Request to Administration: Can my mod get hosted here?

[Kyouko]

This mod looks awesome, cant wait till its out. (No rush)
Great models BTW. Are they in game yet?

Edited by iron_golem, 29 October 2007 - 05:59.

[AZZKIKR]

nice

[Rot Front]

thank you

BTW, tried to make Abrams with bump map...

[Noswar]

Both Abrams models look spectacular, however, I do prefer the newer one over the old one, it looks a little more realistic, they're both great, though, awesome work.

Sincerely,
Noswar

[Rot Front]

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Both Abrams models look spectacular, however, I do prefer the newer one over the old one, it looks a little more realistic, they're both great, though, awesome work.

Thank you

What about variant with normal maps? Here:

Is it looks better than bump?

[Demonium]

You can add both...normal and bump...

Normal for the lines and for the details and bump for the scratches of the metal and for the damages on the tank...

[ccgx]

Rot Front, on 3 Nov 2007, 6:37, said:

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Both Abrams models look spectacular, however, I do prefer the newer one over the old one, it looks a little more realistic, they're both great, though, awesome work.

Thank you

What about variant with normal maps? Here:

Is it looks better than bump?

make those details bigger, stronger, or you'll just not see them ingame.

Demonium, on 3 Nov 2007, 16:46, said:

You can add both...normal and bump...

Normal for the lines and for the details and bump for the scratches of the metal and for the damages on the tank...

normal mapping is a better version of bump mapping.
bump mapping have just on fixed light source, the details will direct always in the same direction. normal mapping dont has a fixed light source, it's variable and is imo the better technique.
and you can you add both? you have just one channel for bump or normal maps... and i prefer normal maps...

[Rot Front]

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make those details bigger, stronger, or you'll just not see them ingame.

Of course I will do them stronger in final version... This was just expiriment - I learned how to use normal&bump mapping

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and you can you add both? you have just one channel for bump or normal maps... and i prefer normal maps...

It isn't possible to add both normal&bump maps, but may use embossed (in Photoshop) details like an easy graphical imitation of bump. But I can't see any sense in this.

[Demonium]

Rot Front, on 5 Nov 2007, 8:20, said:

Of course I will do them stronger in final version... This was just expiriment - I learned how to use normal&bump mapping

The guy who mentioned this ^^ is right...But even if you will increase the level of normal maps, you will only make your model less smoother in general and again you wont see the details. I believe that you cant do otherwise. All these small details on the tanks wont be seen into the game. Except if you will zoom your camera to the maximum...
It is not a FPS game to see all the details. You will play with a camera 50 meters above the units...
But it is good you have made all these details. We show professional... My models i showed to you, had also details even if i know that these wont be seen...

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and you can you add both? you have just one channel for bump or normal maps... and i prefer normal maps...

It isn't possible to add both normal&bump maps, but may use embossed (in Photoshop) details like an easy graphical imitation of bump. But I can't see any sense in this.

Ok. I will learn you a trick...look here...

a model of mine with ought normal maps.


with normal maps


and with normal maps and bump together...


How i did that?

Simple...

First open the material editor. Then choose the tab near the bump option...


After that, a tablet appears. Search for normal Bump...and click on it.


Once you do this, a new menu appears in the map editor.
in the red circle you place your normal maps.
in the blue you can place your bump maps
in the green circles it is the values were you can change how strong your effect will be...(usually make the bump lower than the normal map)


Now what this has to do with tanks you wonder...

Simple...

Here is the mammoth tank for C&C3 moding i made...


The same model with normal maps for the details and with the bump for the damages (the holes from the bullets)

[Golan]

Bump and normal maps (actually normal bump map) basically do the same, instead of using one normal and one bump map they both can be merged into one normal or one bump map. Normal maps are generally more "sharp" while bump maps appear more smoothly and natural.

However, TW only supports one normal map per shader. Bump maps aren´t supported at all.

[Demonium]

Well in that case ^^ you can merge the normal map with the bump in photoshop, if you need the details...
like some scratches on the metal, some holes from bullets and other...it is a good way IMO

[Rot Front]

Have anybody some ideas how real FCS vehicls would looks like?

I remodelled this 3 times, but i don't like how they looks like. This variant is similar to pictures from army.mil.

[AZZKIKR]

if i'm not mistaken they look like the stingray (is that it's name) light tank

[Axel of Sweden]

Rot Front, on 8 Nov 2007, 12:36, said:

Have anybody some ideas how real FCS vehicls would looks like?

I remodelled this 3 times, but i don't like how they looks like. This variant is similar to pictures from army.mil.

Coooll!! Salvage levels

[Sgt. Rho]

No, these are diffferent vehicles for different purposes (IFV, Tank killer and NLOS-C), nothing of salvage.

[Waris]

Huhu... how would a salvage-using faction gets to use FCS

[Sgt. Nuker]

^ Only if they divide by 0 .

I can see you've put a lot of effort into this mod Rot Front. This mod seems to be coming along rather nicely and at a decent enough pace. I'm looking forward to more of your models in the future .


My best,

Nuker

[Rot Front]

Thank you. Unfortunately, these weeks I hadn't any time to work on mod... But a little update is upcoming.

About FCS: Of course, it is different vehicles, but i dont know how to make them - as 'unique' buildable units, or like an overlord system (builds just 'naked' platform, which can be upgraded to IFV, tank or self-propelled artillery)