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[Waris]

The one I posted is actually a M3A3 Stuart.

[AllStarZ]

Oops. Thought the hull should've been lower. So tiny.

[Ilves]

A box of beer from me to one, who will recognize this thing:

[AZZKIKR]

you revived an old topic. and is that a schutzenpanzer SPz 11-2 kurz

[Alias]

AZZKIKR, on 11 Dec 2007, 19:04, said:

you revived an old topic.

It was on the front page. He's ok.

[AZZKIKR]

fine. what vehicle is that?

[Ilves]

Ok then. This is a model of a prototype T-74 tank (don't confuse with T-72), that was designed in late 80-s and was supposed to become MBT-70's opponent.

[Whitey]

Doesn't look much of a contender even to go against a '70s prototype pre-Abrams tank.

Wait a sec. Late '80s? Correct me if I am wrong but the MBT-70 began its program in the early '70s. By the late '80s, the Abrams was in full swing, making its debut in Iraq a few years later. Were the Soviets that far behind?!

Edited by Boidy, 13 December 2007 - 04:24.

[AZZKIKR]

oh. if i'm not mistaken it's one of those missile tanks that specialise in firing AT missiles?

[Ilves]

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Wait a sec. Late '80s? Correct me if I am wrong but the MBT-70 began its program in the early '70s. By the late '80s, the Abrams was in full swing, making its debut in Iraq a few years later. Were the Soviets that far behind?!

What a wonderful collection of mistakes However, me was wrong too - this prototype is dated before T-80, so the date is early 80's.

Now here's the list why you're totally not right:

1) MBT-70 is more powerful than Abrams so the tank that could fight it can do easier the same with M1
2) Few people know that, but Abrams made it debut in early 80's in Israeli-Syrian war. One encounter of M1 with T-72 is recorded and surprisily ended not in favor to M1s (2 M1s immobilized, no casualties among Syrian T-72s)
3) The Soviets were always ahead, dude. Just remember who invented smoothbore cannon, ERA, autoloader, shperical turrets, low silloete concept, combined armour, gas-turbine tank engine, tank missiles, APDSF shells, remote-controlled machinegun and many-many more features, some of what Western tank gained only in recent years or not gained at all
4) By the time you started developing MBT-70 we already had T-64 that is a much more effective tank in quality\price comparison
5) This is a prototype model, so you can't judge the future tank by it Whant me to show you how XM1 looked? You'll be surprized

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oh. if i'm not mistaken it's one of those missile tanks that specialise in firing AT missiles?

No, the concept of pure-missile tank became useless as soon as we managed to combine both shell and AT-missile in the tank cannon. After slight cheap upgrade even T-55 became an AT-missile tank

Edited by AL_Hassan, 13 December 2007 - 09:25.

[Alias]

The Abrams wasn't in combat until the Gulf War, in the 90's.

Stop with your skewed view.

[AZZKIKR]

pan-shaped turrets are small...
and the T-64, good tank for ripping ur arm off. it was the best tank of it's time but gained a reputation of injuring crew members with it's horizontal autoloader