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[Cryptkeeper]

I hope this isn't forbidden but i just want to see what everyones view is on this subject is

mine is that theres nothing wrong with so long as the porn its self is not that of rape or any kind of non consensual thing unless its fantasy ie completely fake

and please be adult about this

Edited by cryptkeeper, 22 November 2007 - 01:50.

[CodeCat]

I don't see why it's wrong as long as all parties have consented and are of legal age.

[Whitey]

Agreed with the above entirely.

[Soul]

CodeCat, on 21 Nov 2007, 20:54, said:

I don't see why it's wrong as long as all parties have consented and are of legal age.

I agree, although personally I don't watch porn at all.

[Dr HaxX]

I think it degrades mental discipline, destroys respect for women, and incites natural sexual desire in unnatural circumstances. I have seen allot more porn than I am at all proud to admit. It shames me and my honor. I know what it does to your mind. I know what it does to your body. I also know that porn is not what I'd considered to be a moral bolster. No, the people who watch porn are not evil people. But it DOES have an effect on your subconscious decision making in a non-positive manor.

I'm sorry, but I am a violent opponent of porn. I do not despise anyone who has been or is currently involved in pornographic participation, be it the creation or consumption of it. As for me, I will be honorable in the way I view women. They are not objects. They are not animals. They are people and their bodies need to be protected; not exploited for the vile pleasure of lusting male onlookers.

I have spoken. *leaves thread*

Edited by Match, 22 November 2007 - 04:40.

[Cryptkeeper]

hmmm i dunno if it degrades women as I'm opposed to that too i don't see anyone or anything as object heck i don't see my comp as a object but who said i was only talking about straight porn there plenty of different kinds

but thanks for stating your view even if it may be unpopular

Edited by cryptkeeper, 22 November 2007 - 03:47.

[Dr HaxX]

Yes, very unpopular by the looks of it.

[Dauth]

If its made legally and concentually, then I see nothing wrong with it, freedom of choice, you can watch whatever you want to.

[E.V.E.]

As long as it doesn't contain any Para Normal Stuff I don't realy see a problem with this.
It's not rare that also a couple watches them.

- E.V.E.

[Whitey]

It does not degrade women, it simply appeals to more straight men. If straight men are going to buy it, they're going to film women primarily. If the market trend was geared toward women, then would the pornography showing men be viewed as degrading to them?

Pornography goes both ways.

[Rayburn]

As for the legality of such material, I agree with the others.
As long as the actions shown don't violate any laws (like children being involved or some sick shite like that) I don't mind it.

Morally and from my personal viewpoint, I totally agree with Match.

Match, on 22 Nov 2007, 4:32, said:

I'm sorry, but I am a violent opponent of porn. I do not despise anyone who has been or is currently involved in pornographic participation, be it the creation or consumption of it. As for me, I will be honorable in the way I view women. They are not objects. They are not animals. They are people and their bodies need to be protected; not exploited for the vile pleasure of lusting male onlookers.

[Mathias]

Match, on 22 Nov 2007, 4:32, said:

I think it degrades mental discipline, destroys respect for women, and incites natural sexual desire in unnatural circumstances. I have seen allot more porn than I am at all proud to admit. It shames me and my honor. I know what it does to your mind. I know what it does to your body. I also know that porn is not what I'd considered to be a moral bolster. No, the people who watch porn are not evil people. But it DOES have an effect on your subconscious decision making in a non-positive manor.

I'm sorry, but I am a violent opponent of porn. I do not despise anyone who has been or is currently involved in pornographic participation, be it the creation or consumption of it. As for me, I will be honorable in the way I view women. They are not objects. They are not animals. They are people and their bodies need to be protected; not exploited for the vile pleasure of lusting male onlookers.

I have spoken. *leaves thread*

Good for you. What's this unnatural thing about sexual desire you speak of?

Edited by Mathias, 22 November 2007 - 17:34.

[Dr HaxX]

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 9:29, said:

Match, on 22 Nov 2007, 4:32, said:

I think it degrades mental discipline, destroys respect for women, and incites natural sexual desire in unnatural circumstances. I have seen allot more porn than I am at all proud to admit. It shames me and my honor. I know what it does to your mind. I know what it does to your body. I also know that porn is not what I'd considered to be a moral bolster. No, the people who watch porn are not evil people. But it DOES have an effect on your subconscious decision making in a non-positive manor.

I'm sorry, but I am a violent opponent of porn. I do not despise anyone who has been or is currently involved in pornographic participation, be it the creation or consumption of it. As for me, I will be honorable in the way I view women. They are not objects. They are not animals. They are people and their bodies need to be protected; not exploited for the vile pleasure of lusting male onlookers.

I have spoken. *leaves thread*

Good for you. What's this unnatural thing about sexual desire you speak of?

Sexual desire is natural Mathias. But it is supposed to present itself in the presence of a real woman. Sexual desire leads to physical arousal which is the human response before sexual relations take place, and thus greatly out of place in an unnatural circumstance such as pornographic movies and images. A man or woman may be aroused by the content for what? So they can emulate sexual relations in the privacy of their own room because they are unable to get a REAL partner? It is not natural to be attracted to something virtual. A picture of a real woman is still just that: a picture. There is a story about how a butterfly keeper made several female paper butterflies and placed them throughout the greenroom where the butterflies interacted. The next day he found several males trying to mate with the paper butterflies with of course no success. Time went on and these males died out because they refused to leave the paper images. They did not mate with real females because they where attracted to something that wasn't real. It attracted them and it was their destroyer. Is not porn the same way? Is a picture of a beautiful naked woman attractive to a guy? Hell yeah. But is it really natural? To be attracted to something fake. Something that you cannot interact with the way it was supposed to be. Its a fatal attraction, and has destroyed the lives of many that I know and even some that I was very close to. Its natural attraction in an unnatural circumstance.

[CodeCat]

The meeting and conversing between people is also very much out of place in front of a computer screen.

[Jazzie Spurs]

Here in my town, there's a store where you can buy the playdude from the age of 12. And the strange thing is that is legal.

[Mathias]

Match, on 22 Nov 2007, 18:58, said:

Sexual desire is natural Mathias. But it is supposed to present itself in the presence of a real woman. Sexual desire leads to physical arousal which is the human response before sexual relations take place, and thus greatly out of place in an unnatural circumstance such as pornographic movies and images. A man or woman may be aroused by the content for what? So they can emulate sexual relations in the privacy of their own room because they are unable to get a REAL partner? It is not natural to be attracted to something virtual. A picture of a real woman is still just that: a picture. There is a story about how a butterfly keeper made several female paper butterflies and placed them throughout the greenroom where the butterflies interacted. The next day he found several males trying to mate with the paper butterflies with of course no success. Time went on and these males died out because they refused to leave the paper images. They did not mate with real females because they where attracted to something that wasn't real. It attracted them and it was their destroyer. Is not porn the same way? Is a picture of a beautiful naked woman attractive to a guy? Hell yeah. But is it really natural? To be attracted to something fake. Something that you cannot interact with the way it was supposed to be. Its a fatal attraction, and has destroyed the lives of many that I know and even some that I was very close to. Its natural attraction in an unnatural circumstance.

Since when does porn magically stop you from going out and hitting on someone and getting laid unless you have severe social angst or disfigurements? And should we suppress our desires every time we are not in a position to have sex with another willing person just because being attracted to something else than the real deal is wrong? Why is it wrong? Because we spill our seed on the earth? Oh noes, masturbation is WRONG! How could billions of horny people be SO WRONG? I must have forgotten that we live in the 16th century somehow.

You also seem to have forgotten that sexual arousal happens all the time when neither a porn movie or a naked hot woman is present. What is your opinion on that?

Edited by Mathias, 22 November 2007 - 20:05.

[Chyros]

LOL, what topics do you guys keep coming up with?

кเ๔, on 22 Nov 2007, 19:17, said:

Here in my town, there's a store where you can buy the playdude from the age of 12. And the strange thing is that is legal.

That confirms Spain is a lawless dump. (joke)

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It attracted them and it was their destroyer. Is not porn the same way?

From a purely semantic point of view, that had me in stitches.


Personally, I really don't mind anything that was made legally and with consent. I haven't ever considered it to be "evil" or degrading in any way. I don't think porn is degrading to the image of the people who play in it; I completely agree with Boidy.

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But is it really natural? To be attracted to something fake.

Whether images of real people are fake can be contested endlessly, but I really disagree with that statement.

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I think it degrades mental discipline

I think it alleviates desires that might otherwise cause much greater grief.

[General Kirkov]

It keeps me off the streets. Nuff said.

[Alie]

while i don't find it morally wrong, i find it to be disgusting to be so public about it. it's kind of like swearing.

[Cryptkeeper]

E.V.E., on 22 Nov 2007, 7:17, said:

As long as it doesn't contain any Para Normal Stuff I don't realy see a problem with this.
It's not rare that also a couple watches them.

- E.V.E.

hmmm define para normal ? becuase in my experience there is no such thing as normal not to say your view point isn't valid I'm just curious.

Edited by cryptkeeper, 23 November 2007 - 05:19.

[Dr HaxX]

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 12:03, said:

Since when does porn magically stop you from going out and hitting on someone and getting laid unless you have severe social angst or disfigurements?

I never said that it does. I used the butterfly analogy to illustrate that an image has subconscious power over the mind. Be it a butterfly's or a man's (given the fact the size isn't much different ) I don't know about you sir, but I really do not like having something inanimate have power over my mind. If a person can influence my mind I respect that they have the power to do so. But a computer screen? A magazine? A piece of paper? I will not ever feel the same about those for that very reason: they are inanimate. A person may be arroused by an image of a naked woman and that same naked woman in front of me... But do I really want to say they have equal power over my mind? Hell no. I think that it would be sad to say so. I do not respect for an image of a person over the actual person. Ever.

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 12:03, said:

And should we suppress our desires every time we are not in a position to have sex with another willing person just because being attracted to something else than the real deal is wrong?

First of all, that is a two toned statement/question. So I will answer it in two parts.

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should we suppress our desires every time we are not in a position to have sex with another willing person (?) ...

Yes, I think so... Is it so hard to wait goddammit? I mean seriously... Is self control and mental discipline too much to ask of a male? It would appear that you believe sexual relief is an inevitability based on a basic human need. That said, one must question how often is normal sexual relief? One would question whether it is based on the desire of each individual or a universal standard. If you can give me that I will answer your question.

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... just because being attracted to something else than the real deal is wrong?

Is it? I never said it was universally wrong to be attracted to something other than the real deal, I just said it was unnatural.

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 12:03, said:

Why is it wrong?

Again, because I did not say it was wrong, they are your words. My words are "unnatural". And I already touched on that earlier.

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 12:03, said:

Because we spill our seed on the earth? Oh noes, masturbation is WRONG! How could billions of horny people be SO WRONG? I must have forgotten that we live in the 16th century somehow.

Once again, masturbation is not WRONG by my definition at all. Just an unnatural solution to a natural desire. And Mathias, I respect you greatly. The least you can do is disagree civilly and respect me and my opinion in turn.

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 12:03, said:

You also seem to have forgotten that sexual arousal happens all the time when neither a porn movie or a naked hot woman is present. What is your opinion on that?

Twice again, I believe it is PERFECTLY natural. I do not however see the resulting solutions such as masturbation and porn consumption as ethical natural solutions.

Edited by Match, 23 November 2007 - 06:38.

[Mathias]

You use the word "unnatural", but from what you're saying, it's easy to see that you think it's wrong.

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Once again, masturbation is not WRONG by my definition at all. Just an unnatural solution to a natural desire. And Mathias, I respect you greatly. The least you can do is disagree civilly and respect me and my opinion in turn.

Sorry, but I can't help joking about such a silly topic at hand. The least you can do is not take it personally.

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Yes, I think so... Is it so hard to wait goddammit? I mean seriously... Is self control and mental discipline too much to ask of a male?

Why should I have self control in resisting something which ultimately doesn't hurt me at all?

[Dr HaxX]

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 22:53, said:

You use the word "unnatural", but from what you're saying, it's easy to see that you think it's wrong.

What I think is wrong is not necessarily the standard of wrong for the rest of the world. It is not my right or my place to tell you what is wrong. Each person gets to decide that for him/her self and is somewhat irrelevant to my points. I state what I observe about the natural order. There IS some ethical components involved in that, but they are present in any human and not the definitions of RIGHT and WRONG in themselves.

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 22:53, said:

Sorry, but I can't help joking about such a silly topic at hand. The least you can do is not take it personally.

Hmm? Actually I'm not offended at all. I just wanted to address it before ad-hominem attacks started appearing.

Mathias, on 22 Nov 2007, 22:53, said:

Why should I have self control in resisting something which ultimately doesn't hurt me at all?

I suppose that'd depend on what we mean by "hurt." I'm a bit tired, if you REALLY want to continue discussing such trivial tangents, we can, but this thread doesn't seem to be the place for such quibbles. So I suggest we drop it. We have contributed our separate views quite thoroughly already. Further discussion is just argument for arguments sake. Good exchange of words though, thank you.

[smooder]

Theres nothing wrong with a bit of porn.

Anyone saying that it degrades women is talking the biggest load of shit ever.

Women today have a choice. They do not have to appear in porn but they choose to. Maybe it could cause wierd things to happen in some men. But so does most things.

[Crush3r]

To answer the original question, no, as it isn't morally wrong to watch anything.