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[Golan]

But most ppl probbly wuldnt want to have this lvl of brain power anyways, dont u think?

[Futschki]

IMO human uses 10% of their "intelligence" and not the brain physically

[Sgt. Rho]

humans "control" 10% of their brains....but use the other 90% for the basic functions...at least, that is what our biology teacher says

[Crush3r]

There has to be some not-so-used areas, as when a part of the brain is damaged, other sections learn to take over the damaged functions, without disturbing others.

( Oh, and bow to master Yuri :wahhhhhaa: )

Edited by Crush3r, 06 January 2008 - 19:23.

[Dauth]

Surely that just means that the human brain like the human is adaptable, it's only very specific functions that can be replaced, most often the functions are lost.

[Nerdsturm]

A child can lose their entire left hemisphere and still regain most of that side's functions(language, ect.), though not movement of their right side and they must be very young (Older people cannot regain most abilities at all, and if they can it is only weakly). However, regaining these abilities is through the conversion of some areas of the brain to make up for damaged areas, not the activating of latent sections of the of which there are are none.

[Shirou]

Crush3r, on 6 Jan 2008, 20:21, said:

There has to be some not-so-used areas, as when a part of the brain is damaged, other sections learn to take over the damaged functions, without disturbing others.

You have a point there, but with those forms of brain damage you often see that the victim has to relearn those functions of his body. In other words those other parts of the brain have to establish the connections to learn that function, even though they are not meant to control it. As Dauth said that will be very specific and in most cases it will just not work. As I mentioned before I think the brain has a lot more potential and there certainly is room for more information in certain parts of the brain. ''not so used'' is a good description, as they are used to a certain extent. There can't really be unused parts of the brain. Unused parts of an organic body will become unusable for the individual because he did not learn to use them in his child years, and then vanish in evolution. Just like ear movement muscles. Most people cannot use them because they didn'tlearn use them as a baby, and the muscles have become unusable. In some thousands of years there might be people without a potentially functional ear-muscle out there. Humans (or their ancestors at least) also needed their blind gut, their food was much more rough than what we eat now, as we cook it and stuff (no more raw meat for me!) and thus this organ will steadily evolve completely gone.

We could over generations make the brain of our children of our after-after-insert X after-children better, by making sure that the smarter people among them get more kids, and that and people with lesser intelligence are discouraged to have children. This way the smarter genotypes will become more dominant in society and thus people will, overall, get smarter. It's just a matter of natural selection. This process however includes maleficient results for some of us, and in our current society that cannot happen anymore, as everyone has the same rights. People speaking that the human being will eventually evolve into some omnipotent superintelligent being, don't know what they are talking about. In our society the conditions for natural selection and thus the motive of evolution is no more. The only way that could happen is for us to live in a barbaric society in which only the strongest survive and may live to reproduce.

As of currently, live with the potential that you have.

[Corrino and the Maiden]

I found this and had to post as being someone who has great knowledge on the subject . I'll simplify to make it eaiser to understand as this tpoic is more complex than people think.

100% of our brain is doing something, however whether or not these happenings are relavant to the body and or thinking may not be true. as most know the brain is divided into differnt parts, logic, memory, sex (which is huge) and etc. but without the person knowing the braining is constantly using the differnt parts, i.e. the brain is always reviewing your memory, however when one concentrates that part of the brain works more, however than focuses is diverted hence from say logic to memory. Similar to how sex part of the brain works.

The 10% comes from the fact that we conciously work 10% of our brain.(call it logic to simplify) . Yet it is possibly to reach 100%.

hence giving the outcome of a paradox of more than 100% usage.

however if we were to use 100% logic the electrical output of the brain would be too powerful, and would actually cause drastic electrical damage to surrounding objects, similar to that of EMP. note aswell that the body would not be able to allow the brain to work at 100% logic capacity as the energy requirments would be too large. Similarly it is impossible to reach 100% + efficiency.

However theorically it is possible to reach this. By removing the brain from the body, and removing the brains need to control a body allows for the ablility to reach 100% logic working. Done by feeding huge amounts of fule to the brain and all the other requiements, extrernally, allowing the brain to recieve all required to work, but without teh brains need to regulate it.

Next the brain must be chemically and electricall engeneered to fill the wasted space (now the sex, memory, movement, ect. parts of the brain) with the logic elements of brain matter. once this is done the brain will theorically work at 100% logicall capacity.

With this done the person, know just a brain, will beable to do almost anything, in seconds able to formulate a unifided physics theory, more than a million times more powerful than all the supercomputers on the world working together. However one must remember the servre electrical distruptions casued, and with focused thought can actually due to this effect distrupt atmospheric electrial patterns.

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However there is another way, in a nutshell simply increase the electricity in the brain, this causes more effecieny.

- But in conclusion to answer your question yes we only use about 10% our brain, but also use 100%. quite confusing.

you know that those monks and that whom meditate actaully after about 30 yrs unlock a bit more of the brain, and allow for slightly more higher order thinking.

Edited by Corrino and the Maiden, 13 January 2008 - 09:26.

[Golan]

Wait, did you just say that we have enough neurons so that our bioelectrical components could create an EMP? You realize that the kind of electricity used for our neural components is not comparable to an electric current and that due to the spatially and temporally diffuse discharge it is very unlikely to cause a sufficient fluctuation of an electro magnetic field?

[Corrino and the Maiden]

Well I did simplify, and did use the word similar to an EMP. But yes, if 100% of braining working was done in concious thought processes, than yes, electrical components will be dispositioned even to the state of malfunction.

[Hobbesy]

I'll let Bill Nye answer this one.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Features/Col...y&GT1=10789

[Reaper94]

so if we used 100% of our brainpower wed explode or somming?

but yes wed die very fast even if we used mere twice what we use.

[Overdose]

Possibly not. You see there's theories that if our brain were to evolve so to speak it would become an organ beyond perfection. I've even read the brain could become entirely self sufficient by taking over the tasks of our lungs and hearts for instance. Ever seen in movies where there's aliens that seem to be entirely composed of their brains? Not a credible source but I hope it helped clear the picture.

[Corrino and the Maiden]

Everyone must remember that we actaully know more about the universe than we do about the brain. i.e. the very small stuff we know about the universe, the few planets, few stars, few galaxies dwarfs what we know and understand about the brain.

The Brain is more that a billion billion billion billion billion (thats 5 rite) more complex than the universe

[Areze]

It seems the brain can be described as the final true frontier. By what everyone said, iy seems it's basically the body that is the anchor. Not the brain. An organ beyond perfection. *muses*

[Corrino and the Maiden]

You know that it is actually theorically possible to weld up too 5 minds together, giving the possiblility of a "being" that has 500% brain functinallity.

[Sharpnessism]

Corrino and the Maiden, on 14 Jan 2008, 20:05, said:

You know that it is actually theorically possible to weld up too 5 minds together, giving the possiblility of a "being" that has 500% brain functinallity.

What would that do? Sounds like it would create a lot of confusion...then the fact that there'll be no bodies linked to the brain.

[Corrino and the Maiden]

Sharpnessism, on 15 Jan 2008, 13:51, said:

Corrino and the Maiden, on 14 Jan 2008, 20:05, said:

You know that it is actually theorically possible to weld up too 5 minds together, giving the possiblility of a "being" that has 500% brain functinallity.

What would that do? Sounds like it would create a lot of confusion...then the fact that there'll be no bodies linked to the brain.

What would that do?!?

500% brain functionality ... bascially that would allow this being too unlock the meaning of life.

there can very well be bodies linked to the brain, the being would probably look somewhat similar to the Executrix from EBFD believe it or not. Confusion is not really a problem as one would just place inhibitors and neurotransmitters to control the level of conciousness present. It is very complicated but that is it in a nutshell.

[Ion Cannon!]

Corrino. You said you were knowledgeable about the brain. So um.. were exactly are you getting this information from?

[Nerdsturm]

Yeah... I'm a bit skeptical about this too. How would you weld mutliple brains together, especially when "we actually[sic] know more about the universe than we do about the brain," and we really do know very little about the universe. Plus, even if you could connect 5 of them it seems like it'd be pointless since it would just be pretty much the same thing as having 5 people working together in unison without language barriers.

[Corrino and the Maiden]

1. I get my knowledge as I am a neuroscientist at Sydney Uni.

2. These are not actual facts persay, but theories of possiblities that have been floating around my field of science the past few years. And that is true we do know more about the universe than the brain.

3. The "weld" is not as similar to just having 5 poeple working together, but merges the knowledge and "processing" speed of all participants into 1 "being". The reason it can only got to a max of 5 is for that is all at the moment we believe the brain would be able to handle, 1 host + 4 participants 1 per quadrant of brian.

4. there is a similar theory were you actually wipe the brain of the host empty of everything, making it similar to a "room" to which the other 4 brains could work together, but the welding is far more interesting.

[Ion Cannon!]

Would the welding be somewhat like the split brain experiment but in reverse?

[thinimus]

You know what would be very interesting? Modifying a person's skull so that it has a greater a greater volume of space for grey matter then adding in modified stem cells that would attach to the brain and multiply to fill the void.

I wonder what kind of results that would produce?

Edited by thinimus, 17 January 2008 - 02:41.

[Corrino and the Maiden]

Ion Cannon!, on 17 Jan 2008, 13:35, said:

Would the welding be somewhat like the split brain experiment but in reverse?

Yes in a very small way.

thinimus, on 17 Jan 2008, 13:40, said:

You know what would be very interesting? Modifying a person's skull so that it has a greater a greater volume of space for grey matter then adding in modified stem cells that would attach to the brain and multiply to fill the void.

I wonder what kind of results that would produce?

That is so un-questionably complicated practically, and theoretically it would not be very effective.

I would explain it but the shorestest I could explain why that is not a very good idea would take up about a page.

[Dauth]

@ Idea of bigger brain case,

IIRC the neadethals (and Wanye Rooney) had a bigger brain case than homo sapiens, however its became inefficient and hence we wiped them out.