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[Chyros]

umm not dachamp, on 28 Aug 2008, 16:29, said:

either way we are making key assumptions about how the planet will respond.

If it is too warm, ice will melt. It's really as simple as that. Now I think throughout history there have been enough cases of ice melting when it's too warm to prove that it is so .

[Crush3r]

Aftershock, on 28 Aug 2008, 16:14, said:

We have more to fear of the consequences that of the temperature itself. Humanity could perhaps cope with five degrees more temperature (even though the entire area around the equator would become barren deserts probably), the planet itself cannot. Problem is that it is just going too fast, and on macro levels, it is equal with our industrial revolution.

The planet could perhaps cope with a little change of CO2 levels but not so fast, not at all.

Saying that because there is only 0.038% CO2 in the atmosphere, it cannot influence the temperature is just letting your own ungrounded logic speak because you see a small number. You must now that all the world plants, even in the time that the world was one entire big jungle, live off that 0.0xx% CO2? That must sound equally not logical mustn't it?

The planet can cope with anything (minus planetary collision), I think you mean environment. The temperature isn't going to change 5 degrees. Max 1 degree (Fahrenheit) this century if we increase our CO2 production exponentially. And the equator won' become a desert if temperature increases 10 degrees, it's too wet.

The real issue here is that human production of CO2 is greatly exaggerated in relation to the quantity in the atmosphere. We are barely having an influence. Just breathing is comparable to our industrial output.

I wasn't saying it can't influence temperature, but it's just too little to trap any more heat than there currently is. If that were the case, heating would result in more CO2 in the atmosphere, and that in turn would heat the planet more, until an equilibrium was reached. But it's not. Temperatures have dropped (slightly) since the 1998-2000 period, despite a rise in human CO2 production levels. Ironically, during the post-war boom, temperatures started to drop quite rapidly (as fast as they were rising in the 80s and 90s), some people thought that we were heading towards an ice age. Now if we look at the Sun's influence we see a perfect cause on the charts, the values lining up with less than an year difference.

[amazin]

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If it is too warm, ice will melt. It's really as simple as that. Now I think throughout history there have been enough cases of ice melting when it's too warm to prove that it is so tounge.gif .

i meant respond to more CO2

[Cryptkeeper]

http://www.rightalk.com/asx/ggws.asx I know this thread is old but I didn't want to re post a thread that was on the first page

it pretty much confirms my thoughts its the sun :o but I do admit fossil fuels need to be changed and other various polluting practices we do especially trash xxD and better management of resource use

[CommanderJB]

The link you've provided is broken, but even if it wasn't, I'd take a site which honestly believes there's an organised Marxist, socialist left-wing propaganda campaign with links to the KGB going on in the United States with the aim of destroying it with more than a little grain of salt.
Oh, and I don't think the necro is too worrying. It's less than a month after all.

[Cryptkeeper]

odd it works for me but the reason why i believe it is becuase a lot of it I already knew about besides i don't think its theirs any ways i remember seeing it on other sites

[Cuppa]

CommanderJB, on 24 Sep 2008, 5:12, said:

The link you've provided is broken, but even if it wasn't, I'd take a site which honestly believes there's an organised Marxist, socialist left-wing propaganda campaign with links to the KGB going on in the United States with the aim of destroying it with more than a little grain of salt.
Oh, and I don't think the necro is too worrying. It's less than a month after all.

Actually, its a report from a talk radio. Nothing related to the KGB at all. I'm watching it right now, its pretty good, and interesting.

[CommanderJB]

That's not what I said: have a look at their front page.

[Dr. Strangelove]

CommanderJB, on 24 Sep 2008, 10:12, said:

The link you've provided is broken, but even if it wasn't, I'd take a site which honestly believes there's an organised Marxist, socialist left-wing propaganda campaign with links to the KGB going on in the United States with the aim of destroying it with more than a little grain of salt.
Oh, and I don't think the necro is too worrying. It's less than a month after all.

Global Warming was commie plot all along? I knew it!

[Cuppa]

CommanderJB, on 28 Sep 2008, 21:17, said:

That's not what I said: have a look at their front page.

Oh, I see it.

[Dr. Strangelove]

This radio station has 'bias' written all over it...*looks at scrolling userbar*