51 replies to this topic

[Dauth]

Wiz, you don't run into it, Staff and Admins don't have flood control.

The final point of this topic is that we are not going to remove flood control in the SYD or anywhere else, neither are we going to reduce the time required between posts.

[Whitey]

Why?

-L.P. Boidy

Ironically: This post delayed by flood control.

[Dauth]

Point 1) The groups Staff and Admin are deemed trustworthy enough to moderate, so we are aslo expected to behave.

Point 2) No good reason has been posted, we are not opening this place up to shock images, we are policing it as much for ourselves as anyone else.

[Wizard]

I meant I never really did, before Staff.

@ Boidy, for the reasons we both just mentioned. It's there to assist Admins/mods in their jobs to prevent spam and stop harmful images and other such nasties appearing on the forum by giving us an opportunity to identify problems before more are posted. And cause we said so.

^ & what he said!

Edited by Wizard, 26 February 2008 - 23:41.

[Kris]

Dauth, on 27 Feb 2008, 7:32, said:

The final point of this topic is that we are not going to remove flood control in the SYD or anywhere else, neither are we going to reduce the time required between posts.

How about removing the flood control in the PM system?

[Whitey]

They're afraid that we are too stupid to open shock-image PMs.

-L.P. Boidy

Edited by L.P. Boidy, 27 February 2008 - 00:32.

[Wizard]

PMs are actually one of the worst places to find shock images. As there is little we can actually do about it and there is no way, at least that I know of to prevent it, unlike on the main bard.

Boidy, whilst you might not see the problem with having flood control or with Shock Images in general, you are going to have to live with the fact that it is something that happens and we won't tolerate on this forum. We have members that should not be exposed to such things and I have no intention of allowing ES to become somewhere that it can be found or posted. Flood Control is one method used to prevent it.

[Whitey]

It can still be done by other means, albeit more complex.

I still don't understand the problem with 30 seconds. That has yet to be argued against, as 30 would still eliminate shock-spam.

-L.P. Boidy

[Wizard]

It would take more than 30 secs to identify the post, delete, identify the member and ban to prevent further posting. 1 minute gives us more chance to do this. Why would we want to make the process more complex when the first priority is to remove the offending posts and prevent the culprit from posting more?

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How about removing the flood control in the PM system?

It's harder to manage than the boards, the longer the delay here, the more chance that we can be notified and do something about it before more are sent.

[Whitey]

30 seconds doesn't make for much of a difference. We don't have supermoderators here that can scrub away threats on such short notice.

-L.P. Boidy

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

L.P. Boidy, on 27 Feb 2008, 0:56, said:

30 seconds doesn't make for much of a difference

Agreed, so why reduce the current time by 30 seconds, when it doesn't make a difference?

[Whitey]

Because it DOES make a difference to the posters, as has been illustrated previously.

-L.P. Boidy

... Such as this one, delayed once again.
And again...

[Jok3r]

I have a statement to make. However, before I can I have to ask. Does anyone think I'm a spammer?
~SLG

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

L.P. Boidy, on 27 Feb 2008, 1:27, said:

Because it DOES make a difference to the posters, as has been illustrated previously.

-L.P. Boidy

... Such as this one, delayed once again.
And again...

Double standards much?

[Jok3r]

what do you mean?
~SLG

[Sharpnessism]

30 seconds does make a big difference to posters. It's pretty damn annoying when you post and you must wait 1 minute. To look at it better, it takes ~5 minutes to make 5 replies, 30 minutes to make 30 replies.

30 seconds don't make a big difference if someone posts a shock image and a admin moves to remove the link, Boidy meant that no one is perfect or online every second of the day and it won't matter much if there was a shocksite poster. Flood control doesn't prevent people from posting shock images as you can post it and there's nothing preventing you, it prevents mass spam but not shock images. 30 seconds flood control does the same thing except allows more convenience.

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Double standards much?

What? Staff and regular posters are different. Have different abilities and privileges. It isn't double standards when you have two different things. Just asking to make it more convenient to post.

Edited by Sharpnessism, 27 February 2008 - 03:15.

[nip]

swim-listen-game, on 27 Feb 2008, 2:57, said:

I have a statement to make. However, before I can I have to ask. Does anyone think I'm a spammer?
~SLG

Spammer squared.

[Whitey]

Double Standards, so you believe in equal rights between standard posters and shock-image posters?

Have you gone mad?

What I'm saying: 30 seconds makes a difference to standard posters. It does not make a difference to shock image posters, and here's why:

It takes no time to copy/paste the shock image material to another post. 10 seconds at most. Moderators are not going to catch this material in under the remaining 50 seconds though, not to mention under 20. Thus it doesn't matter much the time. If you want to make the time between posts equal to five minutes, that would be more sensible security-wise, but not poster-friendly.
The flood control performs its function exactly the same between 30 seconds and a minute, might as well make it more convenient for the standard poster, no?

-L.P. Boidy

[Wizard]

L.P. Boidy, on 27 Feb 2008, 4:45, said:

It takes no time to copy/paste the shock image material to another post. 10 seconds at most. Moderators are not going to catch this material in under the remaining 50 seconds though, not to mention under 20. Thus it doesn't matter much the time. If you want to make the time between posts equal to five minutes, that would be more sensible security-wise, but not poster-friendly.

The difference that you speak of here is what we call a compromise. 30 secs we see tons of spam and spend ages tidying it up, 5 mintues you all get the hump and don't post (reasonable for a delay of that length imo) so ~ we have 1 minute as an acceptable period of time between what is best to moderate with and what is reasonable for you to post.

This is all irrelevant anyway as it is not changing.

We don't believe in equal rights between regular posters and shock posters, but until someone posts a shock image he is a regular memeber!

Edited by Wizard, 27 February 2008 - 08:40.

[Troa Barton]

i reckon its not fair on the decent posters that are here just to talk about cnc

[Alias]

I'll say here what I always say: use fast reply. Flood control doesn't effect fast reply until you actually submit.

To be honest, I don't think I've had a single flood control warning in the past 2 weeks.

[Whitey]

I've had em numerous times, and document them in each post that is affected by the damned bugger.

That said: Wizard, 30 seconds is the compromise I was looking for between a minute and no time. It eliminates superspam but allows posters to quickly enter a topic, leave feedback, and repeat.

-L.P. Boidy

[Dr. Strangelove]

How does flood control stop shock images?

[Alias]

It stops a bot posting them in EVERY thread it finds in the space of a minute, instead the bot can only post one per minute, therefore heavily curbing the amount of images to clean up.

Edited by Alias, 12 April 2008 - 05:26.

[Crazykenny]

I thought Mail Validition eliminated Spambots by itself.... guess I'm wrong