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[Alias]

As I said before, Para-Ordinance P14.45 owns ya bum .

[AllStarZ]

But... the Para Ordinance (forgive me fellow Canadians for saying this) is a frame modification for the Colt .45 which allows it to carry alot more bullets in a staggered row.

[MentalAss]

I do realize the P.O. P14-45's Colt .45 roots. I'm not saying that the Colt is bad or anything, it's just I like the handling of the P.O. better. By the way, I do like the M1911 only second to the P.O.

However, on your comment about 'wounding', you kill a man and thats one less enemy, but if you wound him, the enemy needs two other people to haul his damaged ass off the field.

The Canadian Armed Forces themselves teach you this, and the reason why body shots are more effective. A head shot might be nice and spectacular but the body holds more vital organs.

Just my two pennies.

[BillyChaka]

Also, with any gun. It takes 1 shot for a person to not perform at his or her 100%. If I shoot someone with a 9mm bullet, they're wounded. They're losing blood. They may still be able to fire a weapon, but their vision might be all blurred. It doesn't really matter what gun you choose. As long as it, well, can wound.

[AllStarZ]

MentalAss, on 24 Mar 2006, 19:28, said:

I do realize the P.O. P14-45's Colt .45 roots. I'm not saying that the Colt is bad or anything, it's just I like the handling of the P.O. better. By the way, I do like the M1911 only second to the P.O.

However, on your comment about 'wounding', you kill a man and thats one less enemy, but if you wound him, the enemy needs two other people to haul his damaged ass off the field.

The Canadian Armed Forces themselves teach you this, and the reason why body shots are more effective. A head shot might be nice and spectacular but the body holds more vital organs.

Just my two pennies.
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BillyChaka, on 24 Mar 2006, 22:27, said:

Also, with any gun. It takes 1 shot for a person to not perform at his or her 100%. If I shoot someone with a 9mm bullet, they're wounded. They're losing blood. They may still be able to fire a weapon, but their vision might be all blurred. It doesn't really matter what gun you choose. As long as it, well, can wound.
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Im not talking about head shots. Im talking about knocking people down with big bullets rather than just making holes in them with bullets three quarters the size of the big bullets.

[DerKrieger]

Really? Then how come US troops in combat have been ditching the M9 Berettas in favor for the old M1911A1 handguns (either from arms reserves or private carry). The M1911A1 was designed to kill drug-crazed Filipino rebels in the US operations in the Phillipines 100 years ago- the US army had been using .38 handguns and those were nearly worthless against opponents who couldn't feel pain (the heavy .45 slug would knock down a charging person). The M1911A1 has been proven to be much more effective than the 9mm Europellet, and the US is retiring the M9 and going back to the .45 round. The 9mm is a decent self-defence handgun if you use hollow-points, but the Geneva convention prohibits military forces from using hollow-points.

[Cryptkeeper]

BillyChaka, on 24 Mar 2006, 20:27, said:

Also, with any gun. It takes 1 shot for a person to not perform at his or her 100%. If I shoot someone with a 9mm bullet, they're wounded. They're losing blood. They may still be able to fire a weapon, but their vision might be all blurred. It doesn't really matter what gun you choose. As long as it, well, can wound.
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not if grazs you or you can dodge bullets by watching the gun movements like vash

[AllStarZ]

9mm bullets have better armor piercing qualities due to their thinner profile, but that really doesn't matter when all your current enemies wear nothing but the clothes on their backs.

[BillyChaka]

I think the FN Five-Seven is one of the best handguns ever made. Lightweight and 5.7x28 armor piercing rounds. And it's FN. FN makes great weapons. (ie: P90.)

[Whitey]

cant say im a fan of the P90, but the 5-6 is nice

[BillyChaka]

They made a Five-Six?

[Cattman2236]

Look at that chinese type 80 machine pistol, That looks very familiar don`t you think

[Whitey]

i meant 5-7

[BillyChaka]

Cattman2236 said:

Look at that chinese type 80 machine pistol, That looks very familiar don`t you think

Uhh... To a Mauser. With a different caliber. And the Type 80 is an old gun. Where the Five-Seven is relatively new. So it's not a clone. And it's fully automatic, whereas the Five-Seven is only semiautomatic.

Edited by BillyChaka, 25 March 2006 - 23:49.

[AllStarZ]

Five Seven is only useful as a sidearm for auxilary troops who haven't received full firearms training. It's a point, hope, and shoot weapon. The 5.7mm is weak, although the gun has little recoil and is accurate.

[BillyChaka]

So... you're saying it's a noob gun?

[AllStarZ]

precisely

[BillyChaka]

Kuh. No gun is a noob gun. It's impossible. A gun can be weaker than another, but there is no doubt that it is lethal. So really, this thread should... implode. There's no such thing as the "best" handgun. If you agree war is bad that is.

[Whitey]

ok war is bad

so put it into which is the best handgun for target practice?

[AllStarZ]

I meant by best handgun a combat handgun.

[MentalAss]

Well then, now that you have stated that, I can see your point on the importance of caliber. Although, weight should also be taken into consideration.

Some of us (i.e. me) has to haul around 24 lbs of empty (or 50 round teaser belt)C6 machine gun not to mention ammo and gear. 24lbs might not seem heavy, but after 13 km of ass hauling you would really wish you had a C7 instead. Not that we get a sidearm here in Canada anyway, unless you are an officer.

However, I'm pretty sure that all U.S. infantry regardless of rank have a sidearm, so you can see why some would prefer lighter-weight handguns.

[DerKrieger]

Problem with the 5-7 is the round...I'm sure it's fine in an automatic firearm like the P-90, but it's even smaller than the 9mm-it's going to be even less effective.

[AllStarZ]

Exactly. If it sprays, no problem. You're gonna hit somebody with enough of them to cause serious bleeding. But that tiny bullet just whizzes through somebody, and the theory of hydrostatic shock from bullets passing through your body has been disproved.

[BillyChaka]

It's Armor Piercing ability combined with it's awesome accuracy still make it a force to be reckoned with. It still has more rounds than a lot of other pistols (save for the Glock 18 ). It's compact, lightweight, and can pierce a kevlar helmet at 240 meters.

[AllStarZ]

Which really doesn't matter considering that your current foes do not quite grasp the concept of protecting their noggin.