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[Razven]

I voted for the allies becuase the Soviet technology currently seemed a little on the crazy side.

Edited by Razven, 04 June 2008 - 15:14.

[Lord Atlantis]

Keep in mind that you don't even know what tech the allies have. It has yet to be disclosed.

[Admiral FCS]

Very dumb question: Do Soviets still have nukes?

[General Kirkov]

The game is called Red Alert (III) I will be playing the side that is most alert, in this case the reds.

[CommanderJB]

FHSSFCS, on 5 Jun 2008, 10:38, said:

Very dumb question: Do Soviets still have nukes?

Well, yes and no. Their superweapon is the Vacuum Bomb, which is actually a giant conventional thermobaric weapon, one which spreads clouds of oxidised fuel over an area and then ignites it - like a fuel-air bomb but doesn't actually need air to mix with, just to transmit the blast wave, which in the largest cases matches that of a nuclear weapon. The 'vacuum' part comes from the fact that after the intital blast all the air in the target zone has all been used by the initial explosion, resulting in the surrounding air rushing into to fill the vacuum created, and effectively doubling the pressure wave. If you've ever watched pictures of nuclear weapon tests, that's why trees and other objects sway forward and then back again.
Anyway, since the Vacuum Bomb is conventional, technically no, though the blast looks completely identical to a nuke save for the fact that everything's pulled into the heart of the blast before being scattered all over the place at the end (as you would have seen at the end of the trailer). However, previous previews have revealed that Kirov Airships in the campaign carry 'fifty-megaton bombs' - definitely nuclear, as the largest conventional bomb (also belonging to Russia - you've probably heard of the 'Father Of All Bombs', if not, I suggest you google it) reaches only roughly a 10-kiloton yield, probably less. 50 megaton was size of the largest nuke ever detonated, Tsar Bomba (literally 'King Bomb'), and the blast wave from that travelled around the Earth seven times before dissipating.
So... As far as anyone outside EA knows, the Soviets will not have nukes as standard weaponry or even superweapons, but they could pop up in the campaign.

[Admiral FCS]

OMG u r so schmart!

[CommanderJB]

Well, Wikipedia helps somewhat...

[Kris]

Allies for me now. In RA3, EA's overhyping the soviets ._.

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Wait, the vacuum bomb replaces the nuke? I thought it was an aditional weapon...

[BeefJeRKy]

Psionic School Girls FTW! Empire because it's a brand new side so I'll try it first. This is subject to change as more stuff is revealed.

[CommanderJB]

Bob, on 5 Jun 2008, 23:07, said:

Wait, the vacuum bomb replaces the nuke? I thought it was an aditional weapon...

Sadly not I'm afraid. All factions get two superweapons; for the Allies, it's the Chronosphere and Particle Cannon, for the Empire of the Rising Sun it's the *As yet unrevealed* and the *As yet unrevealed* - and for the Soviets it's the Iron Curtain and... the Vacuum Bomb. At least it looks pretty much the same.

[AZZKIKR]

no, it's a power. in the gameplay demo, the narrator says *"OMG! King-Onis! Clicky power. Clicky. Boom! Die capitalists!" and he didn't build a superweapon.



*this may or may not be taken out of context.

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

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I would say that is the first "bad" decision made by EA... but hell. what are mods for?

[KiraSama]

Bob, on 6 Jun 2008, 11:09, said:

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I would say that is the first "bad" decision made by EA... but hell. what are mods for?

we still dont have confirmation, if is true the soviets doesnt have the nuke as SW then yes is a bad move and we should pry for RA3 to be modeable(should be unless they are getting more and more retarded every day)

but if is as Azzkikr said there is still hope, and with the lack of building a SW in the video i think is very probable

because "general powers" were confirmed for RA3 right? i think i have read something about it

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Hmm, yeah, that's what I thought... I guess we'll just have to wait for EA to confirm it either way

(P.S. Previous post was made before I saw AZZKIKR's

[CommanderJB]

Yes they were, quite true - though I could swear I saw Chris Corry ever so quickly build a fancy building which I think controls the Vacuum Bomb strike. I may well be wrong, but it certainly looked like a superweapon to me. That's one hell of a'support power' if it was one.

[Rayburn]

We're still talking about a mere tech demonstration. The build times were reduced and I'm pretty sure the V-bomb was available without the launch facility. It's a dev-version in which the developer can do whatever the hell he wants, spawning WMDs from thin air included. In the actual game, it will certainly require a building, it's an s.w. we're talking about, but this video was intended for demonstrative purposes, so they won't waste any time showing us how to tech up and build the structure.

Edited by Rayburn, 06 June 2008 - 10:39.

[KiraSama]

Rayburn, on 6 Jun 2008, 12:38, said:

We're still talking about a mere tech demonstration. The build times were reduced and I'm pretty sure the V-bomb was available without the launch facility. It's a dev-version in which the developer can do whatever the hell he wants, spawning WMDs from thin air included. In the actual game, it will certainly require a building, it's an s.w. we're talking about, but this video was intended for demonstrative purposes, so they won't waste any time showing us how to tech up and build the structure.

i am not really sure, it didnt destroy any building, not even the barracks to his side, doesnt sound really SW to me, but looks to powerfull to be at middle game

@CommanderJB: wasnt that the Airport?, i need to see the video again

[Rayburn]

The stats of that thing are also open for debate.
At the moment, it's the closest thing to a super weapon we've seen - as poor as it might look - so we can assume it also IS one until further information are revealed.

Edited by Rayburn, 06 June 2008 - 10:49.

[CommanderJB]

That's certainly my opinion on the matter, especially when you take into account eariler reports that nukes weren't in the game at all. I'd definitely like to think that the Nuclear Missile is still in, and of course I can't and don't rule out the possibility, but it just doesn't seem like it at the moment. No doubt more will be revealed as we near October.

[KiraSama]

Rayburn, on 6 Jun 2008, 12:48, said:

The stats of that thing are also open for debate.
At the moment, it's the closest thing to a super weapon we've seen - as poor as it might look - so we can assume it also IS one until further information are revealed.

yep you are most correct than i was, watched the video again, he build a building from the defense option, and the ability to launch the Vaccun Bomb appears, looks like it is a SW

[Mbob61]

I'm sure i read/heard somewhere that each team gets to super weapons
So maybe they get both the vacuum bomb and the nuke?
Soviets all the way

Mike

[Archon]

Im interested to see Empire's superweapons.
I bet that will be something weird.

[KiraSama]

mbob61, on 6 Jun 2008, 14:14, said:

I'm sure i read/heard somewhere that each team gets to super weapons
So maybe they get both the vacuum bomb and the nuke?
Soviets all the way

Mike

nah, his second superweapon has been confirmed to be the Iron Curtain

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Im interested to see Empire's superweapons.
I bet that will be something weird.

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[Mbob61]

oh yeah, how could i forget the iron curtain

Mike