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[General]

Overdose, on 23 Sep 2008, 20:23, said:

You can only fight terrorist by fighting back.

Amen. Thats what I was trying to say actually. Simple really.

[Dr. Strangelove]

CommanderJB, on 24 Sep 2008, 5:50, said:

How do you intend to 'exterminate the ideology'? Even if you kill every single person on this Earth who believes that killing themselves for their cause is a legitimate tactic, if the disadvantage and the discontent remain, sooner or later someone else will get the same idea. There is no ideology behind terrorism; while ideology can generate terrorism, terrorism in itself is not an ideology. It's simply a tactic. You can't exterminate a tactic except my making it unneccesary.

Yes, what I meant is the ideology backing the terrorist activities. Kill everyone who supports it, erase all evidence those people ever existed. Ban the coverage of said mass murders, brainwash people into an ideology opposed to the terrorists...etc. Stalinist USSR all over again. The only way to completely destroy another ideology is to use state sponsored terrorism.

Edited by Dr. Strangelove, 24 September 2008 - 07:28.

[Cryptkeeper]

understanding goes two ways without understanding from either side the amount of actual effectiveness is completely pointless and terrorism can not be understood becuase it does not try to understand as well that is why it is a resort to violence and terror

but we shouldn't make this a new witch hunt either just prevent them by securing the areas which could be used to promote mass terror and you will effectively disable the ability for terrorists topremote there message of terror

[NanSolo]

General, on 24 Sep 2008, 8:03, said:

Overdose, on 23 Sep 2008, 20:23, said:

You can only fight terrorist by fighting back.

Amen. Thats what I was trying to say actually. Simple really.

Care to tell me how many conflicts involving terrorism have been won by force? Do you know how many terrorist organisations have been brought down by the use of conventional armed forces?

[CommanderJB]

Zero?

[NanSolo]

Correct answer. Have an (internet) cookie.
Military action has never succeeded over terrorism, going all the way back to Moses and the plagues. Not once. As tempting as the urge for revenge is, I'd rather work on a strategy to prevent further terrorism instead of constantly dwelling on past murders to the detriment of furture peace.

[TehKiller]

Dr. Strangelove, on 24 Sep 2008, 8:25, said:

CommanderJB, on 24 Sep 2008, 5:50, said:

How do you intend to 'exterminate the ideology'? Even if you kill every single person on this Earth who believes that killing themselves for their cause is a legitimate tactic, if the disadvantage and the discontent remain, sooner or later someone else will get the same idea. There is no ideology behind terrorism; while ideology can generate terrorism, terrorism in itself is not an ideology. It's simply a tactic. You can't exterminate a tactic except my making it unneccesary.

Yes, what I meant is the ideology backing the terrorist activities. Kill everyone who supports it, erase all evidence those people ever existed. Ban the coverage of said mass murders, brainwash people into an ideology opposed to the terrorists...etc. Stalinist USSR all over again. The only way to completely destroy another ideology is to use state sponsored terrorism.

Good idea except for the fact that mass murder , imprisonment and censorship lead to dissent and more people uprising and before you know it could lead to genocide.

[Dr. Strangelove]

TehKiller, on 24 Sep 2008, 17:34, said:

Dr. Strangelove, on 24 Sep 2008, 8:25, said:

CommanderJB, on 24 Sep 2008, 5:50, said:

How do you intend to 'exterminate the ideology'? Even if you kill every single person on this Earth who believes that killing themselves for their cause is a legitimate tactic, if the disadvantage and the discontent remain, sooner or later someone else will get the same idea. There is no ideology behind terrorism; while ideology can generate terrorism, terrorism in itself is not an ideology. It's simply a tactic. You can't exterminate a tactic except my making it unneccesary.

Yes, what I meant is the ideology backing the terrorist activities. Kill everyone who supports it, erase all evidence those people ever existed. Ban the coverage of said mass murders, brainwash people into an ideology opposed to the terrorists...etc. Stalinist USSR all over again. The only way to completely destroy another ideology is to use state sponsored terrorism.

Good idea except for the fact that mass murder , imprisonment and censorship lead to dissent and more people uprising and before you know it could lead to genocide.

I don't support these methods, I'm just saying that such methods are the only way to defeat terrorism.

[Wizard]

I am not convinced you can defeat terrorism. As is obvious it is the extreme result of a group or groups who are marginalised (rightly or not). Normally by something very socially substancial that a change is almost impossible with a dramatic effect. Therefore, there it is always unlikely that these groups will get their way.

[CodeCat]

You can't fight terrorism for the same reason you can't fight fire with fire. For every one you kill, another two will jump up to avenge him/her.

[The Wandering Jew]

First things first. I am not taking sides. I am looking on both sides of the coin.

Let us compare 2008 to 1942.

1942:
The only way to attain a peaceful environment is to change it. And the only way to change that environment is to stop Hitler. But Hitler did not came into prominence without the social and economic unrest happened in Germany. The environment did it. The environment was there before Hitler was born, the environment was there during his reign, and unfortunately, that very environment will be there after his downfall. So how can we get a better one?

2008:
The only way to attain a peaceful environment is to change it. And the only way to change that environment is to stop terrorism. But terrorism did not came into prominence without the social and economic unrest happened in Third World countries that were blatantly abused and undermined by imperialist and opportunistic industrialized countries. The environment did it. The environment was there before terrorism was born, the environment was there during its time, and unfortunately, that very environment will be there after its downfall. So how can we get a better one?

Seems similar, doesn't it?

Terrorism per se does not only mean firebombing cars and vans, or blowing up hospitals, or dressing up as the Unabomber and blowing all known buildings to smithereens. It is sending a message that "no one can oppress us but us". However, the only clear message that these "oppressors" can understand is through violent means. Thus the "terroristic" activities.

Country A: You *ssholes are killing my citizens!
Terrorists: Yeah? But you ingrates are committing economic rape on our soil! You never hear our pleas. So we take action into our own hands!

See. It is just similar to the previous thread topic "Can't we just get all along?" No one ever bothers to have a mutual agreement.

There are no other way to curb terrorism. It is just a part of the natural vicious cycle of peace and violence that happened in the planet for millenia. No other military (conventional) force can successfully quell it. If peace is part of the environment, so does violence. So be it.

[General]

CommanderJB, on 24 Sep 2008, 11:02, said:

Zero?

NanSolo, on 24 Sep 2008, 11:25, said:

Correct answer. Have an (internet) cookie.
Military action has never succeeded over terrorism, going all the way back to Moses and the plagues. Not once. As tempting as the urge for revenge is, I'd rather work on a strategy to prevent further terrorism instead of constantly dwelling on past murders to the detriment of furture peace.

CodeCat, on 25 Sep 2008, 11:42, said:

You can't fight terrorism for the same reason you can't fight fire with fire. For every one you kill, another two will jump up to avenge him/her.

I agree with these. But, if we not 'fight back' they will just take what they want as I said before, we just can't say to a terrorist when they try to seperate the soil : '' Please Mr. ***** , lets just sit and talk about it, I personally not want to give that soil to you and if you do I will use military power againist you, if you act in military manner aswell, I will too '' <-- Thats no use.

[CodeCat]

The best way to combat terrorism is still by preventing it. As long as you don't give them a reason to attack, they won't.

[Rai]

It might be true what you said about CodeCat, but still there are terrorist traitors around somewhere waiting to strike after a non-violent peace talk with the people who are concerned about their attacks on their city or village.

[General]

CodeCat, on 27 Sep 2008, 15:12, said:

The best way to combat terrorism is still by preventing it. As long as you don't give them a reason to attack, they won't.

And that 'reason' can come out from nowhere, mostly terrorists does not have their own reasons, there is supporter countries behind them, they give them their reason to fight, they grow terrorists and finally provoke them to attack to the country for 'their reason' or 'their rights', but when you look carefully to most of these conflicts, you will see there is actually no reason to fight, they are somewhat 'deceived people' and become terrorists. ( Something similiar happened to me at past and I was near to go a war which was nothing to do with my 'reasons' , they deceive people and after that, just sitting and watching it )

[Rich19]

Dr. Strangelove, on 25 Sep 2008, 2:17, said:

TehKiller, on 24 Sep 2008, 17:34, said:

Dr. Strangelove, on 24 Sep 2008, 8:25, said:

CommanderJB, on 24 Sep 2008, 5:50, said:

How do you intend to 'exterminate the ideology'? Even if you kill every single person on this Earth who believes that killing themselves for their cause is a legitimate tactic, if the disadvantage and the discontent remain, sooner or later someone else will get the same idea. There is no ideology behind terrorism; while ideology can generate terrorism, terrorism in itself is not an ideology. It's simply a tactic. You can't exterminate a tactic except my making it unneccesary.

Yes, what I meant is the ideology backing the terrorist activities. Kill everyone who supports it, erase all evidence those people ever existed. Ban the coverage of said mass murders, brainwash people into an ideology opposed to the terrorists...etc. Stalinist USSR all over again. The only way to completely destroy another ideology is to use state sponsored terrorism.

Good idea except for the fact that mass murder , imprisonment and censorship lead to dissent and more people uprising and before you know it could lead to genocide.

I don't support these methods, I'm just saying that such methods are the only way to defeat terrorism.

That's the only way to defeat terrorism by military means. Invasions simply breed more terrorists who are annoyed that the westerners have come and violated their sovereignty. Understanding what makes ordinary citizens decide to become terrorists is the key.

In fact, even genocide wouldn't work. You would have to kill every Muslim on earth to stop Islamic terrorism. But if you did, I would sign up to an insurgency against the government that did that in a second. You would have a whole new breed of terrorist on your hands.