Political Area review
#1
Posted 27 January 2009 - 20:55
Dauth & Wiz,
#2
Posted 27 January 2009 - 21:12
#3
Posted 27 January 2009 - 21:24
#4
Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:04
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#5
Posted 28 January 2009 - 01:23
CommanderJB, on 28 Jan 2009, 12:04, said:
I believed that the new system may work, and I helped how I could to make it work - but that was false hope. We can tell by the level of activity that it is a failed system. While the Deep End was too lenient, the Political Area is too strict. Common ground between the two needs to be found in order to make a truly successful section.
Also - this should be moved to Questions, Feedback & Suggestions, so those not able to access the Political Area can comment on this.
~A
#6
Posted 28 January 2009 - 06:33
#7
Posted 28 January 2009 - 06:58
Oh, and I agree with Alias that this should make it's way to the Feedback forum - those who cannot post can still see what goes on in here, and should have the right to voice their opinions.
#8
Posted 28 January 2009 - 09:47
This forum was always intended to be an experiment. Following the closure of the DE it took quite some discussion and several attempts to bring this back and I think you have all appreciated why we have these rules in place atm. That is not to say these rules will remain in place forever, or that the PA will remain forever.
We have considered the idea of allowing those with access to post their own topics which would obviously create more topics to post in. Regarding the idea of allowing anyone access, this I can't see happening yet, though we may give it some consideration.
More points of view still welcome.
#9
Posted 28 January 2009 - 10:04
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#10
Posted 28 January 2009 - 10:10
Wizard, on 28 Jan 2009, 20:47, said:
This forum was always intended to be an experiment.
Wizard, on 28 Jan 2009, 20:47, said:
Wizard, on 28 Jan 2009, 20:47, said:
#11
Posted 28 January 2009 - 10:23
Alias we did not create the Deep End, we did not look at the suggestion for the deep end this was done off our own backs to bring back politics in some sensible way. After a thread recommending the purging of 250m people in the USA the DE was closed and will stay that way. I am of the opinion it would be better to close the PA than let in the people we have kicked out.
We are looking at removing restrictions, but I can give you a list of 10 members who I never want to see posting in a political thread since all they do is promote suffering for other people.
#12
Posted 28 January 2009 - 10:37
'Close' as in 'shut it down' or as in 'keep out those who don't apply'? I'm asking this because if it means the former, I'm dead against it.
The fact that there'll always be some nutters who can't handle it is no reason why an entire medium should be banned/abolished. True, some nasty things have been said in the DE but the majority of those who participated in the discussions didn't cause much trouble. If anything, the DE was TOO liberal because those who broke the rules were not punished quick/harsh enough but the PA on the other hand is over-regulated which, at least in my opinion, makes the discussions rather formal, dry and stale since no-one dares to use even the slightest bit of irony/humour/controversy because that could potentially violate one of the rules. What I'm trying to say is that some middle ground would be nice: Don't make it as strict and serious as the PA by letting outsiders post as well but don't make it as lenient and potentially messy as the DE by immediately punishing those who can't handle themselves. I really don't see anything wrong with scrapping the whole application process. During the days of the DE, anyone could post, there were some offensive remarks here and there but the crux is that these 'flame wars' rarely ever spread beyond the DE. It's not like these political discussions ever posed a threat to the harmony of the entire forum or anything...Plus, if everything else fails, one could just ban the violators and delete their topics which, in most cases, were generally marked down as the brain-fart of an uneducated fool rather than a serious statement which caused any real offence anyway; the cleverer give in.
Edited by Rayburn, 28 January 2009 - 10:52.
#13
Posted 28 January 2009 - 10:42
Dauth, on 28 Jan 2009, 21:23, said:
Dauth, on 28 Jan 2009, 21:23, said:
Dauth, on 28 Jan 2009, 21:23, said:
Edited by Alias, 28 January 2009 - 10:44.
#14
Posted 28 January 2009 - 10:55
Undoubtedly, there are people here who could cause the Political Area difficulties. No matter them, however, the forum should be mature enough to learn from the mess that was the Deep End, and apply that learning to this new subforum. Rules/punishments/etc are still very debatable, but as I see it, without the whole forum demographic, we will likely never have the required activity to keep this forum from being closed and removed.
#15
Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:18
What we are saying is that it's probably unlikely we will allow the whole forum to post to avoid any [even remote] chance of history repeating. I can't reiterate enough that the whole "Stadmin" team consider this a gaming forum and not really a venue for political discussion. Therefore any type of political discussion was/is going to be regulated. How regulated is a constantly evolving process. We have seen that the contributions have tailed off and have responded accordingly. We will continue to do this, even in infinitely small incremental steps as we see fit to ensure a smooth forum.
All your comments have been noted and will be discussed.
#16
Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:45
Wizard, on 28 Jan 2009, 22:18, said:
Wizard, on 28 Jan 2009, 22:18, said:
#17
Posted 28 January 2009 - 12:00
As for how we change, asking others for opinions is a way to see if you can think of something we can't. How we apply and interpret those suggestions are the Stadmins/PA leaders choice.
I also see that this thread is becoming derailed from people suggesting options for change to arguing about decision making, which is not this threads purpose.
#18
Posted 28 January 2009 - 12:08
Wizard, on 28 Jan 2009, 23:00, said:
Problem solved.
Wizard, on 28 Jan 2009, 23:00, said:
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#21
Posted 28 January 2009 - 12:27
NOW THIS IS THE FINAL POST ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVIATION.
Unless someone has an alternative suggestion to make there will be no further discussion. Failure to follow this rule will result warnings being handed out.
NO EXCLUSIONS.
#22
Posted 28 January 2009 - 16:11
#23
Posted 28 January 2009 - 16:32
Dutchygamer, on 28 Jan 2009, 16:11, said:
To be honest, I don't really come here for the modding any more. Games with better graphics these days are getting harder to mod to a high quality, so putting all our eggs in that particular basket would ultimately doom the forum.
#24
Posted 28 January 2009 - 16:57
We are looking at applying some of the suggestions made and we will announce then in due course. Thanks for the suggestions.
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