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[Lucid]

 TehKiller, on 14 Feb 2009, 11:22, said:

a street in the US....most of Europe cant support those kind of cars (there simply aint roads for them)

what i meant was cars that were street-legal

[Sgt. Nuker]

True, NASCAR stock cars are more akin to actual street legal cars, but how they appear on their sheet metal is where the similarities end. Underneath they've got a 700+ cubic inch big block V8 that is still fed by carburetor, and a solid axle out back. The frame of the car is rollcage (done for safety purposes), and the skin of the car is sheet metal. These steel boxes on wheels are shadows of the cars they used to be, because the cars they portray now have V6's and front wheel drive. When NASCAR first started, and especially during the musclecar era, the cars could be found on the street. Now, it's a completely different story.

[Major Fuckup]

 Scope, on 15 Feb 2009, 2:33, said:

LeMans '99 CLR Flip >> Kangaroos

i got a video of 1 of them cars doing that and flippin off the track into trees fucking amazing but id still prefer the roos though XD
lol didn't know nascars still ran carbies thought they would go direct injected and making a nascar is just weld some pipes to a car chassis and drop a whopping V8 in it and a bucket seat and there you have it a nascar XD

[Sgt. Nuker]

The CLR flipping off the track may look cool, but it did two things:

1). Killed the driver

2). Ended the Mercedes program for Le Mans in the LMP class (and if I remember right, out of Le Mans period).

Yep, NASCAR still uses old school techniques for throwing fuel on the fire. I believe the motors are still pushrod as well, which sort of boggles the mind as to how the NASCAR boffins are getting 700+ bhp from them (okay, the sheer amount of cubic inches does help...)

Actually, making a NASCAR is more complex than welding some tubing and a bed pan to a motor and trans. The cages have to be made in a specific shape so that all the stock cars are the same shape. This puts the "sport" more into the drivers' hands instead of the machinery. So you've got uniform shoe boxes with uniform air pumps running around an oval...oh joy. It used to be a car was taken from the factory, a roll cage was welded in and it was pretty much ready to battle Daytona and the score of other entrants. Then safety took the forefront as the cars got faster and more aerodynamic. This brought out the officials, which set about some ground rules and the sport changed, eventually representing what you can watch now. It's a bugger of a thing to try and watch, but if that's what you're into, then more power to you.

[Dauth]

The driver survived the CLR flip.

[Sgt. Nuker]

Really? I seem to remember one of the flips proving quite fatal.

[Waris]

The driver in the flipped CLR was Mark Webber. AFAIK he's alive and doing OK in F1 atm

The smooth underside reminds me of toy cars =O

Edited by Waris, 15 February 2009 - 22:06.

[Sgt. Nuker]

Well then. Seems Mark hasn't lost his racing enthusiasm, though it does appear he's gotten more daring.

At any rate, we're making a right turn to this topic, when we should be making a left. What do you say we get back to NASCAR, yeah?

[Lucid]

agreed. as an update to whatever fans are out here, Matt Kenseth wins due to rain. Junior knocked Brian Vickers around, and into Scr...Kyle Busch, taking the 18 car out of the race.

[retry_1]

newman should have known teaming up with deu- i mean tony stewart would bring bad karma.


anywhoo, gordon and junior had the cars to win the race once bush was out. it's a shame it didn't get finished.

Edited by retry_1, 16 February 2009 - 01:32.

[Sgt. Nuker]

That's the other thing about NASCAR that's retarded. Other forms of racing have rain slicks. I know for a fact that Le Mans and F1 have them, so why can't NASCAR? I guess the good ole' boys don't believe in racing in the wet stuff.

[Major Fuckup]

 Warboss Nooka, on 16 Feb 2009, 6:51, said:

Yep, NASCAR still uses old school techniques for throwing fuel on the fire. I believe the motors are still pushrod as well, which sort of boggles the mind as to how the NASCAR boffins are getting 700+ bhp from them (okay, the sheer amount of cubic inches does help...)

well you know americans they love big and powerful things why do you think they drive F-150 with huge 6.2L V8 engines that are twin turbo why kill something just right when you can really kill it XD
but i cant really talk because id like nothing more than to drop a LS2 into my land cruiser and get a semi race gearbox XD
but back to nascar again i was watching the news and saw the smash they had on the daytona 500 that wiped pretty much half the field off lol

[Lucid]

 Warboss Nooka, on 15 Feb 2009, 23:17, said:

That's the other thing about NASCAR that's retarded. Other forms of racing have rain slicks. I know for a fact that Le Mans and F1 have them, so why can't NASCAR? I guess the good ole' boys don't believe in racing in the wet stuff.

it's got something to do with the weight distribution. if they put rain tires on, the tread would be gone in a few laps

[Sgt. Nuker]

Another reason stock cars fail at being race cars. Picture a 300 lbs. man trying to run a marathon. Now imagine a 150 lbs. man trying to do the same thing. Who's going to have an easier go at the race?

[Rich19]

 Viper, on 14 Feb 2009, 15:13, said:

but the appeal of NASCAR is that it can be considered an everyman sport, at least more so then F1. the cars they drive in NASCAR are much more akin to the car that you drive on the street.

If you like that, watch touring cars instead.

Edited by Rich19, 17 February 2009 - 17:49.

[BeefJeRKy]

The Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters is supposed to be extremely competitive.

[Lizzie]

My only interest in NASCAR is the crashes.

[Jordan]

I don't see what can be so entertaining in these oval track races. It's just too simple. Either they need to make the cars go so fast that they do wallrides around the corners at a complete 90 degree banking, or add some sort of a feature to break up the long, boring straights.

My only interest in Nascar is to watch things go from bad to worse as one car starts a 20-car pileup in the middle of the track. Otherwise, I'm changing the channel. I have more interesting things to do than watch cars go around in a circle 250 times in a row, though my personal preference is actually racing myself, whether it be video games or real life.

-Jordan

[Sgt. Nuker]

 Scope, on 17 Feb 2009, 18:36, said:

The Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters is supposed to be extremely competitive.

DTM is actually interesting to watch though. Mostly because the tracks include ones like Hockenheim and the tracks actually have left AND right turns, chicanes, increasing and decreasing radius turns and all sorts of other bendy, twisty bits.

Heck, Lorry racing is more interesting than NASCAR.

[Major Fuckup]

 Rich19, on 18 Feb 2009, 2:48, said:

 Viper, on 14 Feb 2009, 15:13, said:

but the appeal of NASCAR is that it can be considered an everyman sport, at least more so then F1. the cars they drive in NASCAR are much more akin to the car that you drive on the street.

If you like that, watch touring cars instead.

or bathurst what ever floats your boat

[Alias]

Bathurst is a touring race...

[Major Fuckup]

yer i know but its better than the European touring car races only because i dont have to travel to far to watch it XD

[Foxhound]

To add my two cents, at least for me:

NASCAR on TV is a snore-fest. Seeing it in person is a different story entirely.

As for my interests, I have to say that I'd watch WRC if it actually was on TV around here.

[Major Fuckup]

your two cents have been invested and you get a return of 4 bucks and Dakar FTW!!!! any watch that it was awesome