Prove that I exist!
#2
Posted 21 May 2009 - 10:09
You generate information, therefore you are. That is to say, any action (either active or passive) involving you proofs your existence, as otherwise that action would be impossible.
#3
Posted 21 May 2009 - 10:21
The person who unquestionably proves this fact will make a fortune and be hailed as a pure genius.
#4
Posted 21 May 2009 - 11:12
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#6
Posted 21 May 2009 - 11:25
#7
Posted 21 May 2009 - 11:44
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 19:17, said:
I want some proof of my existence - delivered by one of you.
This post, saved forever on the internet.
There.
Masonicon, on 17 Oct 2009, 13:44, said:
#8
Posted 21 May 2009 - 15:25
#9
Posted 21 May 2009 - 15:35
if i cease typing for five minutes, does my existence cease also? If I were to hide behind a curtain and remain hidden, would I cease to exist? Does the world replace itself with darkness whenever I shut my eyelids?
Also, this package of information carries nothing over nothing from its originator - it does not represent what myself believes to be. Then how can it possibly be the only proof of my existence?
#10
Posted 21 May 2009 - 16:42
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 15:35, said:
You can only stop an action if you exist.
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 15:35, said:
You cannot be behind a curtain without existing. Besides, you did make yourself known to us, so you will continue existing regardless of your state.
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 15:35, said:
Take a drill and have a look?
Or just put a camera right next to you and watch the video later...
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 15:35, said:
That's not what you asked for. Your existence is independent from your actual shape and attributes.
#11
Posted 21 May 2009 - 17:45
AJ, on 21 May 2009, 12:21, said:
Prepare my nobel prize... All of us an illusion, dream, smallest part of the matter is ' nothing ', its empty.
Edited by General, 21 May 2009 - 17:45.
#12
Posted 21 May 2009 - 18:14
But let me digress. The real question is: does the unobserved matter perish? Can we be sure of anything but the existence of the self?
If the world does not exist unobserved, and the senses are questionable, than all that's left that holds reality together is belief in it. And belief is subjectable - it cannot be used for proof. Case in point - reality does not really exist!
Think about it: all humans are imaginative creatures, we can imagine different, fictional realities. And now, since we cannot prove the existence of the objective world, we have to rely on belief. And belief relies on imagination - people can believe in anything.
Furthermore, since belief is a part of a 'soul', then only a soul can exist. The reality you believe in is only a part of you.
Also, there is no us! We do not exist, only 'I' do. The person who reads this...
I'm not making this up folks - there's a movement in philosophy called solipsism that revolves mainly around this. And they do have some serious arguments...
#13
Posted 21 May 2009 - 18:26
*goes back to his quantum dynamics exercises*
Edited by Golan, 21 May 2009 - 18:26.
#15
Posted 21 May 2009 - 18:49
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 17:35, said:
if i cease typing for five minutes, does my existence cease also? If I were to hide behind a curtain and remain hidden, would I cease to exist?
Believe in science now?
The brave hide behind technology. The stupid hide from it. The clever have technology, and hide it.
—The Book of Cataclysm
#16
Posted 21 May 2009 - 18:52
Edited by Golan, 21 May 2009 - 19:10.
#18
Posted 21 May 2009 - 20:01
#19
Posted 21 May 2009 - 20:12
WNxMastrefubu, on 21 May 2009, 20:31, said:
Then he's asking the wrong question and would have to define living as well. After all, it should be quite difficult to prove his body got a working metabolism (isn't that the current definition of living?) just by pure reasoning, so a question for this seems out of place.
#21
Posted 21 May 2009 - 20:27
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 10:17, said:
I want some proof of my existence - delivered by one of you.
There.
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#23
Posted 21 May 2009 - 22:15
Also: these words aren't any real proof of my existence, are they. It could very well be a fraud, some kind of server glitch or hallucination on the receiving end (your brain)...
I tend to fall asleep and not dream some times. Just close my eyes, open them, and its morning. Was I dead for a few hours?
#24
Posted 21 May 2009 - 23:39
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 22:15, said:
But it is something as opposed to being causeless.
Z_mann, on 21 May 2009, 22:15, said:
The Answer: It doesn't matter. Nobody was there to care. Without observation whether you exist or not is pointless.
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#25
Posted 22 May 2009 - 00:45
have the ability to type a response, but then anything
which you can detect by using one or all of the 5 senses
exists. for you to state that you didn't exist would be
defying the fact that you just proved your existence through
replying. even AI exists for it was created by someone and
can be readily manipulated to perform a set amount of
tasks in a particular way, therefore if it doesn't exist how do we
know about it? but then this brings up the questions of myths legends
and such (dragons fairies and the like), even though you may never
have encountered such a thing in material existence, the idea of it still
lingers within your imagination.
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