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[ΓΛPTΘΓ]

The Home Office says it will push ahead with plans to ask communications firms to monitor all internet use.

Full Article: http://news.bbc.co.u...ics/8350660.stm

Have your view on this... End of our very own privacy, starting from tonnes of surveillance cameras and now this. Are we suppose to be constantly monitored in this country?

[Wizard]

They only want to monitor those people taking part in the communication, not the content of the communication itself (according to that article anyway), however the ISPs will have to keep hold of everything which will no doubt include the content. My only hope is that the powers to compell the ISP to release it is based on a court order only.

Again this isn't going to be something happening. The government aren't going to get elected on the back of this and many other facepalm like ideas they've had recently.

[Golan]

I'm still wondering how they actually plan on getting any useful information from this. This'll generate so much data, the only way to use it is brute-force dragnet investigation.

[Brad]

Usually, I'm a labour supporter, but this decision almost makes me want to support the liberals. (In no way will I turn torie).

In no way can I see this as being justified, this is an abuse of their power, they're invading our privacy.
Cameras and such can be justified, but having accsess to our internet data is like sitting behind me whilst I look around on the 'net (somthing I hate).

[CJ]

UK, country of the human rights...

No seriously, don't you have a parliament or something like that to cancel the law projects ? Because the same thing almost happened in France with the "HADOPI" law but it got canceled by the Constitutional Council as it didn't comply with human rights and was considered as a privacy violation, especially for the internet access suspension in case of illegal downloads.

[Libains]

Brad, on 9 Nov 2009, 17:54, said:

Usually, I'm a labour supporter, but this decision almost makes me want to support the liberals. (In no way will I turn torie).

In no way can I see this as being justified, this is an abuse of their power, they're invading our privacy.
Cameras and such can be justified, but having accsess to our internet data is like sitting behind me whilst I look around on the 'net (somthing I hate).

Labour? BURN.

Seriously though, did have you pinned as a Liberal Brad. Labour haven't really done anything worthwhile in pushing ten years...

Argetlam, on 9 Nov 2009, 18:12, said:

UK, country of the human rights...

No seriously, don't you have a parliament or something like that to cancel the law projects ? Because the same thing almost happened in France with the "HADOPI" law but it got canceled by the Constitutional Council as it didn't comply with human rights and was considered as a privacy violation, especially for the internet access suspension in case of illegal downloads.

I don't think we'll ever get it passed, it's like asking for Royal Mail to read all of our post - my emails are just as personal as my mail, if not more so at times - so where's my privacy gone?

[Pav:3d]

Wizard, on 9 Nov 2009, 17:23, said:

Again this isn't going to be something happening. The government aren't going to get elected on the back of this and many other facepalm like ideas they've had recently.

Preeetty much, anything they say is white noise now anyway so this can be safely ignored for now.

[Brad]

AJ, on 9 Nov 2009, 18:18, said:

Brad, on 9 Nov 2009, 17:54, said:

Usually, I'm a labour supporter, but this decision almost makes me want to support the liberals. (In no way will I turn torie).

In no way can I see this as being justified, this is an abuse of their power, they're invading our privacy.
Cameras and such can be justified, but having accsess to our internet data is like sitting behind me whilst I look around on the 'net (somthing I hate).

Labour? BURN.

Seriously though, did have you pinned as a Liberal Brad. Labour haven't really done anything worthwhile in pushing ten years...

To be very honest, I've been leaning towards the Liberals for awhile now - I'm not especially proud of being a labour man. I stand for their basic principals (state provided healthcare and education etc) and seeing as their principals are similar to the Liberals, I've been leaning towards the Libs for a long time now.
But I dislike the idea of proportional representation, which is an off-putter from the Libs. Though I must say, as I have repeated, I've been leaning towards them for awhile.

[CodeCat]

Perhaps you could try socialists? They've always had my vote, and you bet they'd be strongly against this kind of thing.

Edited by CodeCat, 09 November 2009 - 19:56.

[Dauth]

CodeCat, on 9 Nov 2009, 19:56, said:

Perhaps you could try socialists? They've always had my vote, and you bet they'd be strongly against this kind of thing.

We did, it was called the 1970's and its the closest we've been to failing democracy since the second world war.

Some people like to have control over their life as opposed to the socialism found in the UK which just loves constrained freedom of speech. Look at Unite Against Fascism, nice overall objective, they want to ban a political party that has been elected to the European Parliament. Now the BNP are scary as a prospect, but they don't scare me half as much as the left do, for some reason the left have credence over here and I cannot think why.

[CodeCat]

I guess that's just the difference between the UK and NL socialist parties. The Dutch SP has been quite successful, and oddly at the expense of the labour party. It seems that a lot of people that got pissed off at labour moving further right switched their votes to SP, and they made some major gains in the recent elections, holding one sixth of the seats in parliament.

Edited by CodeCat, 09 November 2009 - 22:55.

[Wizard]

Dauth, on 9 Nov 2009, 20:08, said:

for some reason the left have credence over here and I cannot think why.

Blame the 80s.

[Ghostrider]

Reminds me of the speech in V for Vendetta, lol:
"And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance, coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission."

But yeah, I don't envy the people responsible for sorting the data.

[Kris]

I think the UK government have a contract with Endemol . Now, all UK citizens would be part of Big brother and be living on Big brother's country. This would be interesting for the world and it would suck for british citizens

Edited by Kris, 10 November 2009 - 08:51.

[BeefJeRKy]

Yeah the Socialist party is the second largest in France as well. I guess it depends on the history of each party. I know in France that they have rarely made any HORRID decisions (because all politicians make bad decisions ).

[SquigPie]

Those willing to give up a little freedom for a little safety deserves neither of them.

nuff said

[Golan]

Bearholder, on 11 Nov 2009, 8:43, said:

Those willing to give up a little freedom for a little safety deserves neither of them.

Yeah, 'cause anarchy works so much better. The very concept of civilization means giving up freedom in trade for safety (not necessarily physical safety), so if we are to believe Mr. F then yeah, we're pretty much fucked anyways, so where's the problem in trying to cut a deal with the devil if he owns our souls already?

Edited by Golan, 11 November 2009 - 16:09.