50 replies to this topic

[Golan]

AllStarZ, on 22 Dec 2009, 23:51, said:

Boidy, on 5 Dec 2009, 20:26, said:

I'm inclined to agree. Assuming it wasn't just a shameless spam quote assuming my comment was spam, there's no reason to call it spam.

"Me" is a widely held view of what is most important in the world. That is, the individual, for without the individual, the world wouldn't exist to that individual, and thus all importance/value given to things by that individual would be... nonexistent.

However, what if you die?

The world will go on regardless of whether you are there or not.

I'm quite sure that from his point of view, the world will come to a drastic halt if he stops existing.

[TheDR]

Camille, on 5 Dec 2009, 19:55, said:

TheDR, on 4 Dec 2009, 15:02, said:

My family and friends.

Camille, please don't "quote post", its not SYD.

so, just writing "me" wouldn't have been a problem? following your standards, boidy's comment should've been just as spammy as mine. case closed.

Boidy, on 6 Dec 2009, 1:26, said:

I'm inclined to agree. Assuming it wasn't just a shameless spam quote assuming my comment was spam, there's no reason to call it spam.

Quote posts are considered spam and always has been. So please don't just quote without writing anything else, even "I agree" would of been better than nothing. Case closed.
One word posts can be considered spam but i didn't think you could write any more in that situation. I guess Boidy could of expanded on why but i didn't think it was worth the argument.

Anyway back on topic, don't you think that it's vain to have yourself as the most important thing in the world?

[Camille]

no, not case closed. your word is not final. i think you're simply nitpicking or acting out a false sense of justice or authority.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with quote posts, it is just another chapter in the forum jargon that is as meaningful as it's wordy counterpart.

@topic: having yourself as the epicentre of the world is only natural. you move in a world that is constantly changing due to your actions, you see the world reacting to you and so forth. when you die, it's over. the entire universe you created inside of you mind is gone forever, and since you are the creator of your own thoughts, your world dies with you, making you the most important thing to yourself (this is, of course, starting from the theory that preservation of one's life is always the most important thing to a sentient being, immediately putting you in the aforementioned position).

[nip]

AllStarZ, on 23 Dec 2009, 2:49, said:

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The real issue here is probably whether that anything in the world has innate importance. What is it that inarguably, simply by being what it is, is the most important thing in the world?

Water. Life depends on water. Some people claim the first life forms arose in water.

[Libains]

Camille, on 23 Dec 2009, 16:22, said:

no, not case closed. your word is not final. i think you're simply nitpicking or acting out a false sense of justice or authority.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with quote posts, it is just another chapter in the forum jargon that is as meaningful as it's wordy counterpart.

@topic: having yourself as the epicentre of the world is only natural. you move in a world that is constantly changing due to your actions, you see the world reacting to you and so forth. when you die, it's over. the entire universe you created inside of you mind is gone forever, and since you are the creator of your own thoughts, your world dies with you, making you the most important thing to yourself (this is, of course, starting from the theory that preservation of one's life is always the most important thing to a sentient being, immediately putting you in the aforementioned position).

If you want to bring up the topic of quote posts, which you are more than entitled to, I would simply ask that it not be done in this topic as it will derail it - there is a feedback forum, go mad

@ topic - at this current point in time I would suggest that I am currently the most important thing in this world to me. The sense of being and the sense of self-worth is far more powerful a feeling than anything else at this current point in time. However, in the coming years, should I get married and possibly start a family, I'd suggest that I'd be an egotistical bastard to still consider myself the most important thing in the world to myself. I'd imagine it would be my wife and my children - t has long been shown that people would die for their children and their spouses, and thus that would place them above me in the grand scheme of things.

[AllStarZ]

nipthecat, on 23 Dec 2009, 14:12, said:

AllStarZ, on 23 Dec 2009, 2:49, said:

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The real issue here is probably whether that anything in the world has innate importance. What is it that inarguably, simply by being what it is, is the most important thing in the world?

Water. Life depends on water. Some people claim the first life forms arose in water.

The problem here is that your statement is flawed.

You basically say that water is important because it allows for life to exist. By extension, we are forced to accept that life is equally important because it defines the importance of water. Then we are forced to ask the question why life is important. The result is that not only do you have to provide an explanation for why life is important, but also invalidate the importance of water because it is dependent on the importance of life.

[BeefJeRKy]

The most important thing in the world is the lack of absolutes. Everything can be viewed from another point of view. Therefore, there is no single idea, concept or object that can be considered as absolutely necessary. Relativity is king.

[Major Fuckup]

What about FS?
Thats dam important

[Camille]

Major Fuckup, on 26 Dec 2009, 14:23, said:

What about FS?
Thats dam important

you are kidding, right?.

[n5p29]

for now, the most important thing is a fast, stable, and cheap internet connection.

[Pandut]

nipthecat, on 23 Dec 2009, 13:12, said:

AllStarZ, on 23 Dec 2009, 2:49, said:

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The real issue here is probably whether that anything in the world has innate importance. What is it that inarguably, simply by being what it is, is the most important thing in the world?

Water. Life depends on water. Some people claim the first life forms arose in water.

And oxygen. Although there is oxygen in water, but most lifeforms can't breath water

[nip]

Physics.

[Numbers]

Me. No Really. If i didn't exist I wouldn't even be capable of considering what is the most important thing in the world.

[Camille]

Numbers, on 27 Dec 2009, 2:16, said:

Me. No Really. If i didn't exist I wouldn't even be capable of considering what is the most important thing in the world.

exactly yes, it's that simple. (no sarcasm)

[SquigPie]

Opinions.

Nuff said.

Edited by SquigPie, 03 January 2010 - 11:20.

[Futschki]

JRK summed up what I wanted to say, assuming the only logical purpose I see for life is knowing who we really are, and that'd be impossible to achieve in an absolute universe. So relativity is the most important thing in the world since it makes our goal of realising who we really are, possible.

[General Kirkov]

Humanity and one's faith in it is the most important thing in the world. Its what will lead us to correct the ills that we have inflicted on ourselves and others even if it takes decades or centuries to accomplish.

[The Wandering Jew]

Quote

What is the most important thing in the world?

Is there one?

To answer the question, I think it's honesty. In a world where everybody lies, it will make one think thrice.

[Futschki]

For you lying is that bad and honesty is most important, for others lying is their job like they can't have a life without it, I think we're talking on a more general perspective of what could be the most important thing in the world...

[Zhao]

The most important thing on the world is always changing. Im sure soon people will be all dying from skin cancer due to the ozone layer depleting then we will care , THEN , we will care.

[ΓΛPTΘΓ]

My life.

If I am dead I can't feel the world no matter how good or bad it become.

Edited by ΓΛPΤΘΓ, 08 January 2010 - 21:55.

[TheDR]

ΓΛPΤΘΓ, on 8 Jan 2010, 21:47, said:

My life.

If I am dead I can't feel the world no matter how good or bad it become.

Well i guess thats the logical answer but whats the most important thing excluding yourself?

[EdwardMichaels]

The OP is proposing we post the most important, I.E. the most valuable, thing in the world. In other words, we are being asked to evaluate everything in the world as valuable or not (and in varying degrees) based on a standard of value (without one, evaluations are impossible, and you draw conclusions such as the ones in this thread declaring everything to be relative). Because of the open-ended nature of the question, then, an answer must justify the standard of value it is based on.

When discussing values, it is important to understand that to declare something valuable is to imply that it is of value to something. Inanimate matter is not a candidate for that something, as despite fervent prayers around the world it remains staunchly indifferent. Matter cannot be created or destroyed, but life is a process that can be advanced or destroyed, and as such it is only from the perspective of life forms that values are possible.

From here, we have the daunting task of selecting just which organism's perspective to take in the matter (this is a stop where your common nihilist gets off the train and declares adamantly that everything is relative). However, this task becomes much less daunting when we remember that the choice has already been made for us. We are human beings.

Let me restate that last one: We are human beings. We are not humanity, as humanity does not actually exist except as a blanket term denoting a few billion singular, independent entities. In following, collective values for humanity do not exist any more than collective values for all of earth or all of existence do. Values only exist at the personal, independent level.

The value, then, that is above all others is: Oneself. This value makes all of the others possible.

Everyone who said "me" in this thread may now pat themselves on the back.

Oh, and yes, I'm new here. Hello.

[Camille]

you, good man, deserve a good pat on your back. great first post.

welcome.

Edited by Camille, 26 January 2010 - 20:28.

[Pav:3d]

What en epic first post greetings EdwardMichaels