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 TehKiller, on 19 Dec 2010, 15:14, said:

Yeah, well, that's in my nature .

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The point I'm trying to make is, sure you can make a lot of kills with it sometimes, but the pros of the weapons do not outweigh the cons, and shotguns just have very little things on competitive weapons. I mean, it shoots bullets, so it will kill, of course, just like anything in the game. But so do better weapons, and with both more ease and many many fewer weaknesses you'd needlessly put yourself through if you go for a shotgun .

Take the MAC-11 as a perfect example of what I mean, to illustrate my point. The MAC-11 shares many things with the FAMAS; it has identical rate of fire and recoil, for example. However, it deals less damage at all ranges, and has a 20-round magazine instead of a 30-round one like the FAMAS, and it reloads slower as well. The tradeoff is a slightly smaller hip spread (which should be pretty irrelevant to begin with) and a 5% increase in movespeed (which don't save you in combat). The pros are utterly irrelevant next to the cons. Of course you can still make kills with it, it does damage after all. But why use something that you can tell at first glance is inferior in every way that matters?

There are dozens of examples of these kind of matchups where there is a clear winner and a clear loser, because Treyarch used a very limited palette of gun parameters. There are only two rates of fire for automatic weapons, all assault rifles and most LMGs and sniper rifles do the same damage, the amount of recoil patterns on the weapons is very limited, etc. You just look for the weapons that have the higher of the two rates of fire, the lower of the roughly speaking three recoil patterns and the higher damage classes and you end up with the FAMAS and AK-74u. These weapons are the best because they have the best statistics in every class, basically. Every other weapon you take that's not that will take a hit in RoF or damage or recoil or a combination of them. Just because they can still kill, doesn't mean they're not outclassed by certain weapons by definition.

 AllStarZ, on 19 Dec 2010, 5:28, said:

Rent it before dropping the big bucks or get a lend of it from a friend.

 TehKiller, on 19 Dec 2010, 10:54, said:

I checked Kirksons place after every update, I don't recall anything like that in BC2. It's not that I doubt you that they'd do that, as they did it in Bf2, but still.

Hey I never said it happened in BC2...I only explained his statement to you. I dont play BC2 so I wouldnt know but the fact is that "ghost notes" arent non-existant in games

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And my point is that shotguns and SMG's arent nerfed/shit compared to the other games just because there are 2 retarded weapons in the game (ofc I mean the AK74u and the FAMAS...which is also retardedly potrayed)
Edited by TehKiller, 19 December 2010 - 18:42.

 TehKiller, on 19 Dec 2010, 18:38, said:

Yeah, sorry if I came off in the wrong way, it definitely does happen.

 TehKiller, on 19 Dec 2010, 15:14, said:

shotguns are only useful in that tiny nuke test area map (forgot its name )

Oh god Nuketown

Shit man on that map Olympia is one of the biggest competitors for maximum retardation

Ironically camping on Nuketown is the best way I get kills

New map pack coming

Going to fork out for that one anyone?

Well at least their pack doesn't contain 2 old maps from W@W this time
It's still theft though at this price...

They should make it free like Valve does to L4D/2 PC DLCers
Edited by Destiny, 20 December 2010 - 10:43.

 Destiny, on 20 Dec 2010, 10:43, said:

Have you seen who publishes this game?

Sadly not Valve

 Destiny, on 20 Dec 2010, 11:43, said:

*cough*TF2 update*cough*MannCo Store*cough*

Well I haven't paid any attention to that...but we better get back on the topic of BO.


I wonder why they refuse to make campaign coop, they reason as letting the player immerse in the campaign but they ignore all the voices that say campaign would be so much more fun with friends...|: They could just choose to play with friends or not, it's a win-win situation.

 Pav:3d, on 20 Dec 2010, 11:37, said:

Lol no way . I'm interested in how many people will, tbh.

 CJ, on 20 Dec 2010, 11:52, said:

Heh, they would never dare to include WaW maps - they sucked balls and were nowhere near as popular as the big CoD 4 maps.

 Destiny, on 20 Dec 2010, 16:36, said:

They can't even make multiplayer playable with friends, let alone the campaign . Besides, I'm not sure if it would be worth the effort - personally I found the campaign more annoying than exciting and pretty bleak and uninteresting.

 CJ, on 20 Dec 2010, 7:20, said:

You don't have to pay for it and you can still get it.

Hell, I once managed to pick up a name tag in random drop. I used it to name my Holy Mackerel "Halibat".

Here's a PS3 player's perspective of Black Flops that gave me a hearty chuckle or three. This one's for you, AllStarZ:



Second Chance dissected:



If people don't complain, stuff like this will continue to be put into the games we play.

In other news, EA's CEO had this to say about Treyarch:

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http://games.on.net/article/11114/Riccitie...h_Infinity_Ward
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So, I've been playing the campaign for a while now and I have a little question : Is it normal that the allied AI is so dumb? I mean, come on, every time they advance to the next position they just ignore any enemy that might be standing right next to them
I'm playing on the highest difficulty level btw, and I would really be fine with the enemy aimbots if my squad was actually useful...

[quote name='Stinger' post='830080' date='21 Dec 2010, 9:03']Here's a PS3 player's perspective of Black Flops that gave me a hearty chuckle or three. This one's for you, AllStarZ:



EA's CEO comments on Treyarch:

[quote]"The question, I think, really is, 'what developer is going to put forward the next great FPS that sort of follows [what Infinity Ward did]?” It’s wishful thinking, and let’s hope for Activision’s sake they’re right. I think it’s far from proven that the gaming consumer views a product from Treyarch in the same category as a product from what was Infinity Ward."[/quote]

[url="http://games.on.net/article/11114/Riccitiello_Treyarch_Not_up_to_Scratch_With_Infinity_Ward"]http://games.on.net/article/11114/Riccitie...h_Infinity_Ward[/url]
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Yep.

Now I don't really play multiplayer, but even in Combat Training, the respawn is f'd up, and even in Combat Training there's that lag, which shouldn't be an issue since you're playing against bots. In some hours of MP, everyone's using Ghost, more or less, and everyone's using Ak74u/Famas.

Unlike the guy however, I might trade it in next year for some other game.

[quote name='Stinger' post='830080' date='21 Dec 2010, 19:03']Here's a PS3 player's perspective of Black Flops that gave me a hearty chuckle or three. This one's for you, AllStarZ:

[/quote]Though his "like" count is over 9000 per minute, he is so right on almost all counts it's not even funny. This is exactly what's wrong with the game, guys, listen well to him. Treyarch just can't make games, everything about BO screams that at epic loudness, and the only people who like it are Zombies hippies - I don't see how it is physically possible to prefer BO's MP mode over MW2's MP mode, even if you don't experience the weird internal PC stutter that they can't seem to fix even though the game looks worse than CoD 4.


[quote name='CJ' post='830083' date='21 Dec 2010, 19:25']So, I've been playing the campaign for a while now and I have a little question : Is it normal that the allied AI is so dumb? I mean, come on, every time they advance to the next position they just ignore any enemy that might be standing right next to them
I'm playing on the highest difficulty level btw, and I would really be fine with the enemy aimbots if my squad was actually useful...[/quote]Stupid enemy AI is a recurring theme in the CoD series. I have played all of them except CoD 3, and I cannot recall any game in which the allied AI didn't actively hinder you in everything you did. It's been less in the more recent ones though - in the oldest ones, they would keep moving right in front of you, you'd shoot them, and it'd be game over due to friendly fire .

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That sound you can hear is Kotick fapping

Oh he aint fapping yet!

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Nobody has sabotaged treyarch. They just suck and are unable to make good games

Welp, you've swayed me.

I'm not getting the game and I'll exchange it if I get it for Christmas.

Should I consider Bad Company 2 for either PS3 or PC?