The World Cup
Wizard
09 Jul 2010
Sgt. Nuker, on 9 Jul 2010, 19:45, said:
Duetscheland will fall to the Dutch, not the Spaniards. Mark my words.
Erm... vat?
Sgt. Nuker
09 Jul 2010
Either it's disbelief, or the fact that it won't happen because of something I missed.
Rich19
09 Jul 2010
Sgt. Nuker, on 9 Jul 2010, 22:07, said:
Either it's disbelief, or the fact that it won't happen because of something I missed.
What won't happen? Germany went out in the semis...
Chyros
10 Jul 2010
Gen.Kenobi, on 10 Jul 2010, 0:42, said:
I lost the faith in WC since 1998.
Sgt. Nuker
10 Jul 2010
Rich19, on 9 Jul 2010, 17:31, said:
Sgt. Nuker, on 9 Jul 2010, 22:07, said:
Either it's disbelief, or the fact that it won't happen because of something I missed.
What won't happen? Germany went out in the semis...
Right. Seems it was the "won't happen because of something I missed" scenario. Carry on, don't mind me
deltaepsilon
10 Jul 2010
Sgt. Nuker, on 10 Jul 2010, 4:45, said:
Duetscheland will fall to the Dutch, not the Spaniards. Mark my words.
CJ
10 Jul 2010
Chyros, on 10 Jul 2010, 1:46, said:
Gen.Kenobi, on 10 Jul 2010, 0:42, said:
I lost the faith in WC since 1998.
ET UN ! ET DEUX ! ET TROIS-ZERO !
Chyros
10 Jul 2010
Uruguay v Germany now 
. Half of Germany's players are sick or injured though. Should be a good match.
. Half of Germany's players are sick or injured though. Should be a good match.
Mbob61
10 Jul 2010
As long as Forlan scores enough to get the golden boot, i don't mind who wins
Mike
Mike
Chyros
10 Jul 2010
Well, doesn't look like it so far. Both teams are keen to win, but Germany leads by 1-0.
EDIT: Cavani 1-1 :o . Slightest slip-up of the Germans and Urugay takes it.
Edited by Chyros, 10 July 2010 - 18:59.
EDIT: Cavani 1-1 :o . Slightest slip-up of the Germans and Urugay takes it.
Edited by Chyros, 10 July 2010 - 18:59.
Gen.Kenobi
10 Jul 2010
A few facts...
Edited by Gen.Kenobi, 10 July 2010 - 19:35.
"verbatim" said:
Well, I think I told you before this is another very doubtful WC and unfortuntely I was right
Before you start blaming Pareira, Ronaldinho and everyone else, just consider a few facts:
1986 was arguably the last real WC we saw; by “real” I mean not orchestrated by any means
then came 1990 and it was in Italy and of course, Italy should have won, they were hosts, etc, etc,, but there came the bad Argentines and stole the show; after that they got tough time – Maradona’s suspension, tough draw in last World Cups and so on
1994 the WC was in USA, far away from Europe and while almost everybody in Europe was sleeping and not watching, Brazil won
also in 1994 the big money came; just a reminder that after that the champions have been alternating between Nike and Adidas (this year it’s going to be Adidas)
1998 it was in France, the French build new nice stadiums and they won; what a surprise!?
2002 it was again far away from Europe, again few watched and quietly and peacefully Brazil won
now it’s 2006 and the French scenario is back – again we see a lot of new stadiums, a lot of money invested, even the ball is called “Teamspirit” (which is the only thing the current German squad can offer)…
what if Brazil had won – you know what happend in Formula 1 when Schumacher was winning a title after title; total lost of interest in the races followed; same would happen with the WC; it is often misthought that Brazil has the most supporters and FIFA is interested in them winning; it’s quite the opposite – no more than 10% of the fans worldwide support Brazil while the rest (and especially in Europe where most of FIFA’s revenues come from) hate them. Conclusion: the Hexa is bad for the WC and FIFA
There’s been a lot of talk that Nike dictates the starting 11 and this is the reason we see the veterans there; totally wrong – with all the Joga Bonito hype, Nike has no interest in Brazil playing ugly as they did in this WC. Nike is not stupid and I’m sure they know Robinho and Cicinho playing will result in Joga Bonito on the field. Moreover, most of the Joga Bonito ads had Robinho on them, not Ronaldo.
Pareira is also not stupid at all, he won in ‘94 and he benched Rai then so don’t thin he doesn’t know a squad with the younger players that played on Confederations Cup is better. The problem is that such a squad will just be uncontrollable and would thrash any opponent and the real goal was to keep the team on a leash and not allow it to play.
Which was confirmed by tommorow’s match. Did you see what Brazil did after France scored?? Any team would start to attack and hurry up. They were simply not really attacking. Cafu was substituted and he walked out of the field as it was 3:0 for Brazil…
They never sped it up.
It was the 89th minute and Roberto Carlos was walking with the ball in his own half insted of running in the French half and attacking.
After a match they lost players usually cry, I didn’t see that, some were even smiling (!!!)
I don’t believe all this was real.
Brazil has been eliminated before but it always happened after a hard fought match and a spectacular performance from Brazil (82, 86, 90…)
Now they didn;t want to play; the whole tournament
Some more food for thought:
William Hill announced that 70% of the betting were for a Brazil title…
Bekenabuer announced yesterday he doesn’t want to become FIFA president. So the title goes to Eueope, Blatter gets all the European votes, Brazil gets the 2014 WC and everybody is happy…
and no, I am not crazy at all, this is a multi-billion dollar business so don’t expect it to be decided by 22 men and a ball.
Before you start blaming Pareira, Ronaldinho and everyone else, just consider a few facts:
1986 was arguably the last real WC we saw; by “real” I mean not orchestrated by any means
then came 1990 and it was in Italy and of course, Italy should have won, they were hosts, etc, etc,, but there came the bad Argentines and stole the show; after that they got tough time – Maradona’s suspension, tough draw in last World Cups and so on
1994 the WC was in USA, far away from Europe and while almost everybody in Europe was sleeping and not watching, Brazil won
also in 1994 the big money came; just a reminder that after that the champions have been alternating between Nike and Adidas (this year it’s going to be Adidas)
1998 it was in France, the French build new nice stadiums and they won; what a surprise!?
2002 it was again far away from Europe, again few watched and quietly and peacefully Brazil won
now it’s 2006 and the French scenario is back – again we see a lot of new stadiums, a lot of money invested, even the ball is called “Teamspirit” (which is the only thing the current German squad can offer)…
what if Brazil had won – you know what happend in Formula 1 when Schumacher was winning a title after title; total lost of interest in the races followed; same would happen with the WC; it is often misthought that Brazil has the most supporters and FIFA is interested in them winning; it’s quite the opposite – no more than 10% of the fans worldwide support Brazil while the rest (and especially in Europe where most of FIFA’s revenues come from) hate them. Conclusion: the Hexa is bad for the WC and FIFA
There’s been a lot of talk that Nike dictates the starting 11 and this is the reason we see the veterans there; totally wrong – with all the Joga Bonito hype, Nike has no interest in Brazil playing ugly as they did in this WC. Nike is not stupid and I’m sure they know Robinho and Cicinho playing will result in Joga Bonito on the field. Moreover, most of the Joga Bonito ads had Robinho on them, not Ronaldo.
Pareira is also not stupid at all, he won in ‘94 and he benched Rai then so don’t thin he doesn’t know a squad with the younger players that played on Confederations Cup is better. The problem is that such a squad will just be uncontrollable and would thrash any opponent and the real goal was to keep the team on a leash and not allow it to play.
Which was confirmed by tommorow’s match. Did you see what Brazil did after France scored?? Any team would start to attack and hurry up. They were simply not really attacking. Cafu was substituted and he walked out of the field as it was 3:0 for Brazil…
They never sped it up.
It was the 89th minute and Roberto Carlos was walking with the ball in his own half insted of running in the French half and attacking.
After a match they lost players usually cry, I didn’t see that, some were even smiling (!!!)
I don’t believe all this was real.
Brazil has been eliminated before but it always happened after a hard fought match and a spectacular performance from Brazil (82, 86, 90…)
Now they didn;t want to play; the whole tournament
Some more food for thought:
William Hill announced that 70% of the betting were for a Brazil title…
Bekenabuer announced yesterday he doesn’t want to become FIFA president. So the title goes to Eueope, Blatter gets all the European votes, Brazil gets the 2014 WC and everybody is happy…
and no, I am not crazy at all, this is a multi-billion dollar business so don’t expect it to be decided by 22 men and a ball.
Edited by Gen.Kenobi, 10 July 2010 - 19:35.
Chyros
10 Jul 2010
tl;dr
2-2 now. Both teams are giving it their best, and plenty of chances for both. This really could go either way .
EDIT: wow, 3-2 Khedira after their twelfth corner .
Edited by Chyros, 10 July 2010 - 20:10.
2-2 now. Both teams are giving it their best, and plenty of chances for both. This really could go either way
.EDIT: wow, 3-2 Khedira after their twelfth corner
.
Edited by Chyros, 10 July 2010 - 20:10.
Stygs
10 Jul 2010
Wow, and once again Paul was right
I wonder if he can also predict lotto results?
(also gratulations to spain for winning the game tomorow )
I wonder if he can also predict lotto results?
(also gratulations to spain for winning the game tomorow
)
Mbob61
11 Jul 2010
If the bar was just a few inches smaller, i would be in line for £60
What happens if people tie for the golden boot?
Is the "award" shared between different people or is it decided in some way like most goals in 1 game?
Mike
What happens if people tie for the golden boot?
Is the "award" shared between different people or is it decided in some way like most goals in 1 game?
Mike
Chyros
11 Jul 2010
Mbob61, on 11 Jul 2010, 3:41, said:
If the bar was just a few inches smaller, i would be in line for £60
What happens if people tie for the golden boot?
Is the "award" shared between different people or is it decided in some way like most goals in 1 game?
Mike
What happens if people tie for the golden boot?
Is the "award" shared between different people or is it decided in some way like most goals in 1 game?
Mike
Mbob61
11 Jul 2010
If he scores and Spain lose, i will loose so much bet money it will be depressing
Mike
Mike
Nid
11 Jul 2010
Gen.Kenobi, on 10 Jul 2010, 20:35, said:
Bitch and whine.
Fixed.
Seriously, Brazil are good, we get it. But you did not have a good enough team to win this time around, I'm sorry.
As for Germany v Urugay, A fantastic match. Bloody Brilliant. We need more games like this for 3rd and 4th.
Anyone ready for the game later?
I want Holland to win, it's about bloody time, and my Dutch friend will be so happy. That said, I hope Spain put up a great fight, and if they win I will still be happy that a team that have never been to the final managed to pull through as winner. I'm really hoping it will be a great final this time.
I also want Holland to win because I'm fed up of this Paul the Octupus bullshit.
Massive coincidence or what?
Good luck to both teams later.
Mbob61
11 Jul 2010
The Dutch should be down to 9 men, Simple as.
Van Bommell with yet another late, border line knee high challenge. Then along came De Jong with that sickening boot to the chest.
That said, Spain haven't played great although they deserve their 11 men.
Mike
Edited by Mbob61, 11 July 2010 - 19:21.
Van Bommell with yet another late, border line knee high challenge. Then along came De Jong with that sickening boot to the chest.
That said, Spain haven't played great although they deserve their 11 men.
Mike
Edited by Mbob61, 11 July 2010 - 19:21.
CJ
11 Jul 2010
The dutch have clearly taken the lead... When it comes to committing the biggest number of fouls...
Stygs
11 Jul 2010
nidmeister, on 11 Jul 2010, 13:08, said:
I also want Holland to win because I'm fed up of this Paul the Octupus bullshit.
Massive coincidence or what?
Massive coincidence or what?
Or what!!!
Game over, Spain wins 1:0 against Holland. Congratulations to Spain and Paul
@ Gen. Kenobi
You were saying?
Edited by Stygs, 11 July 2010 - 21:10.
Dispenser
11 Jul 2010
Stygs, on 11 Jul 2010, 23:57, said:
Congratulations to Spain and Paul
no, congratulations Andre Iniesta, and your amazing ability to fall from the slightest breeze... that was appalling.
ps. I wasn't rooting for either, but I was expecting a fair win at least
Edited by Dispenser, 11 July 2010 - 21:23.
Wizard
11 Jul 2010
Pretty dull game until about 80 minutes which is usually the way with finals. Some terrible tackles, some terrible diving (knowing they'd be terrible tackles) and a team with a very stupid ratio of like 40 minutes possession to every shot on goal has won it.
*Yawns*
*Yawns*
Mbob61
11 Jul 2010
Spain deserved it overall. They played best in that game and in the tournament as a whole.
The goal from Iniesta was pretty good considering
The Dutch on the other hand should be ashamed of themselves. They should have had 4 more players than they already did sent off. De Jong, Van Bommell, Robben were all insanely lucky not to be sent off and Mathijsen was lucky for the way he acted to the referee.
Not the best way for them to crown off their tournament.
Mike
The goal from Iniesta was pretty good considering
The Dutch on the other hand should be ashamed of themselves. They should have had 4 more players than they already did sent off. De Jong, Van Bommell, Robben were all insanely lucky not to be sent off and Mathijsen was lucky for the way he acted to the referee.
Not the best way for them to crown off their tournament.
Mike
