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[NergiZed]

Well, looks like the nuclear situation didn't improve much. linky. Looks like they're getting some huge radiation spikes and are finding some trace amounts of plutonium in the surrounds. All that points to a breach in reactor 3, the only reactor capable of emitting plutonium.

Yeah, rebuilding is gonna be a bitch to do, especially when the entire area has a stagnated economy populated by fairly old folk. However, that process is going to be orders of magnitude more difficult if they've got a breach and possible full melt down under way. It'll never reach the Chernobyl levels of destruction due to astronomically stupid decisions prior to that disaster, but retarded Japanese response time, along with the general rigidity of Japanese laws will only worsen the nuclear situation.

[Sgt. Nuker]

I have heard two things about the current situation in Japan:

1). Radiation has entered the food and water supply, meaning that the radiation is a bit more than just a "spike" in areas. It has spread farther and faster than the Japanese have anticipated.

2). The death toll has peaked over 18,000, and as clean-up is beginning and the search for survivors goes on, the death toll is only going to rise from there.

As I have heard on the radio this morning, Chernobyl levels of radiation have been surpassed. Perhaps not the devastation caused by radioactive material, but the sheer scope of the matter is quickly eclipsing such a monumental disaster.

[NergiZed]

Wow, really? it surpassed Chernobyl? Bloody Fucking Hell. I still thought it was around a thousand times lower than Chernobyl.

According to wikipedia, some of the workers were receiving 2-6 sv at their ankles by standing in the radioactive water. Yeah, info is still patchy, but the whole thing is going down hill.

At least it's not on fire and spreading radiation across the entire continent. The totaly casualties from the Fukashima Daiischi accident is probably never gonna get to Chernobyl levels nor will the area of heavy contamination.

[Sgt. Nuker]

And the hits just keep coming...however, not in the best way. Japan was rocked by another quake that happened just offshore. It measured 7.4 on the richter. If anyone has an official news source, I'd appreciate it if it was posted.

[Kaido]

http://www.chron.com...ll/7511212.html
Also Mexico got hit by a 6.5
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011...ern-mexico.html

[CJ]

It seems more and more like the mayans were right...

[Sgt. Nuker]

Less the Mayans, more the Bible.

[SquigPie]

Sgt. Nuker, on 7 Apr 2011, 19:16, said:

Less the Mayans, more the Bible.

*Looks out the window*

Well, no Horsemen yet.

[Chyros]

Sgt. Nuker, on 7 Apr 2011, 19:16, said:

Less the Mayans, more the Bible.

Well, perhaps the Earth will even become flat at some point .

[TheDR]

Well the Mayans would be wrong anyway because it's not 2012

[Sgt. Nuker]

Chyros, on 7 Apr 2011, 14:37, said:

Sgt. Nuker, on 7 Apr 2011, 19:16, said:

Less the Mayans, more the Bible.

Well, perhaps the Earth will even become flat at some point .

Perhaps what you're saying is to be taken lightly, Chyros, however, I see it as a slight towards my belief, and I will have none of that.

[Chyros]

Sgt. Nuker, on 7 Apr 2011, 20:44, said:

Chyros, on 7 Apr 2011, 14:37, said:

Sgt. Nuker, on 7 Apr 2011, 19:16, said:

Less the Mayans, more the Bible.

Well, perhaps the Earth will even become flat at some point .

Perhaps what you're saying is to be taken lightly, Chyros, however, I see it as a slight towards my belief, and I will have none of that.

Heh, it was meant in jest of course. Now you made me curious though, do you believe we're all about to die soon, if you don't mind me asking?

[Ion Cannon!]

I seriously wonder how long it will be before someone insinuates theres a conspiracy about the earthquakes / tsunami's occuring. In one particularily horrific piece of journalism last year I remember a reporter asking a scientist why we had experienced several large earthquakes over the past weeks, if they were linked and if it was caused by global warming *facepalm*

[Chyros]

Well, having a journalism student living in the same house as me, I happen to have some insight into that. The point is that journalists or reporters simply don't have the technical knowledge for that, and that's why they turn to scientists or specialists for such things. Remember it's better to ask a stupid question than to NOT ask a stupid question and not have it dispelled by someone with appropriate knowledge. Almost everyone in the western world suffers heavily from this syndrome in matter of environmentalism, as a matter of fact.

[CJ]

TheDR, on 7 Apr 2011, 19:39, said:

Well the Mayans would be wrong anyway because it's not 2012

Beginning of the end, get it now?

Also, I think everyone has the right to think and say loud that religions are complete nonsensical bullshit, Nooka.
Woops, thought this was LPTPW for a second, please excuse the off topicness.

Edited by CJ, 07 April 2011 - 19:09.

[Ghostrider]

Or to say otherwise, CJ.

Apparently the plates around Japan were under an extremely high amount of tension before all of this, I hope this is the last of the large movements that Japan sees for a long time.

[Chyros]

Ghostrider, on 7 Apr 2011, 21:16, said:

I hope this is the last of the large movements that Japan sees for a long time.

Unlikely. The geographical location of Japan simply inherently causes earthquakes very regularly. Large earthquakes are a natural part of that as well.

To be fair, in a way it was good that it happened in Japan if it had to happen SOMEWHERE. Don't get me wrong, it's a major tragedy of course, and deserves great mourning. But if an earthquake like that would've happened somewhere else where earthquakes do not happen every day, the death toll could've been in the hundreds of thousands instead of 20,000. No country has as much expertise and is as well prepared to deal with earthquakes as they are.

[CJ]

Chyros, on 7 Apr 2011, 20:22, said:

Ghostrider, on 7 Apr 2011, 21:16, said:

I hope this is the last of the large movements that Japan sees for a long time.

Unlikely. The geographical location of Japan simply inherently causes earthquakes very regularly. Large earthquakes are a natural part of that as well.

To be fair, in a way it was good that it happened in Japan if it had to happen SOMEWHERE. Don't get me wrong, it's a major tragedy of course, and deserves great mourning. But if an earthquake like that would've happened somewhere else where earthquakes do not happen every day, the death toll could've been in the hundreds of thousands instead of 20,000. No country has as much expertise and is as well prepared to deal with earthquakes as they are.

... Are you fricking serious?
I mean, your argument holds the road from a logical point of view, but that sounds so wrong...

Edited by CJ, 07 April 2011 - 19:27.

[Ion Cannon!]

Chyros, on 7 Apr 2011, 20:22, said:

Ghostrider, on 7 Apr 2011, 21:16, said:

I hope this is the last of the large movements that Japan sees for a long time.

Unlikely. The geographical location of Japan simply inherently causes earthquakes very regularly. Large earthquakes are a natural part of that as well.

To be fair, in a way it was good that it happened in Japan if it had to happen SOMEWHERE. Don't get me wrong, it's a major tragedy of course, and deserves great mourning. But if an earthquake like that would've happened somewhere else where earthquakes do not happen every day, the death toll could've been in the hundreds of thousands instead of 20,000. No country has as much expertise and is as well prepared to deal with earthquakes as they are.

How true, the Haiti earthquake which killed over 100k was only 7.0 richter, this earthquake was 19x more powerful. In terms of earthquake proofing Japan is the most advanced and best equipped to deal with it in the world. Also it should be noted that there won't be another major earthquake on that fault until pressure builds back up, which takes years. However that doesn't mean you won't get smaller earthquakes from the fault system. Faults while often thought of as of a line, are a bit more complicated than that, usually a multi-branched web structure with several layers.

Edited by Ion Cannon!, 07 April 2011 - 19:30.

[Ghostrider]

CJ, on 7 Apr 2011, 15:25, said:

Chyros, on 7 Apr 2011, 20:22, said:

Ghostrider, on 7 Apr 2011, 21:16, said:

I hope this is the last of the large movements that Japan sees for a long time.

Unlikely. The geographical location of Japan simply inherently causes earthquakes very regularly. Large earthquakes are a natural part of that as well.

To be fair, in a way it was good that it happened in Japan if it had to happen SOMEWHERE. Don't get me wrong, it's a major tragedy of course, and deserves great mourning. But if an earthquake like that would've happened somewhere else where earthquakes do not happen every day, the death toll could've been in the hundreds of thousands instead of 20,000. No country has as much expertise and is as well prepared to deal with earthquakes as they are.

... Are you fricking serious?
I mean, your argument holds the road from a logical point of view, but that sounds so wrong...

It doesn't sound wrong, Chyros is right. If there's going to be a catastrophic earthquake in a well populated area on Earth, Japan is probably the most capable of dealing with it.

Look at what just happened, a 7.1 Richter earthquake just hit Japan and they only lost power temporarily in the Northern part. Impressive.

[Sgt. Nuker]

Chyros, on 7 Apr 2011, 14:49, said:

Heh, it was meant in jest of course. Now you made me curious though, do you believe we're all about to die soon, if you don't mind me asking?

I would answer you, however, this thread is not the place to discuss my beliefs on where the world is going, and how long we have. You may want to keep an eye on your PM box though.

[Libains]

Ghostrider, on 7 Apr 2011, 20:33, said:

CJ, on 7 Apr 2011, 15:25, said:

Chyros, on 7 Apr 2011, 20:22, said:

Ghostrider, on 7 Apr 2011, 21:16, said:

I hope this is the last of the large movements that Japan sees for a long time.

Unlikely. The geographical location of Japan simply inherently causes earthquakes very regularly. Large earthquakes are a natural part of that as well.

To be fair, in a way it was good that it happened in Japan if it had to happen SOMEWHERE. Don't get me wrong, it's a major tragedy of course, and deserves great mourning. But if an earthquake like that would've happened somewhere else where earthquakes do not happen every day, the death toll could've been in the hundreds of thousands instead of 20,000. No country has as much expertise and is as well prepared to deal with earthquakes as they are.

... Are you fricking serious?
I mean, your argument holds the road from a logical point of view, but that sounds so wrong...

It doesn't sound wrong, Chyros is right. If there's going to be a catastrophic earthquake in a well populated area on Earth, Japan is probably the most capable of dealing with it.

Look at what just happened, a 7.1 Richter earthquake just hit Japan and they only lost power temporarily in the Northern part. Impressive.

I must agree with Chyros, if it had to happen, Japan was possibly the best place for it to happen. Either there or perhaps San Francisco. Frankly, any country on the Ring of Fire is in a pretty strong position to deal with earthquakes or their immediate consequences, certainly better than if it were to hit somewhere such as Haiti. they're not prepared, their buildings aren't built to a certain standard to withstand quakes, they don't have the infrastructure etc. An unexpected disaster is always many times more deadly than an expected one.

Sgt. Nuker, on 7 Apr 2011, 22:31, said:

Chyros, on 7 Apr 2011, 14:49, said:

Heh, it was meant in jest of course. Now you made me curious though, do you believe we're all about to die soon, if you don't mind me asking?

I would answer you, however, this thread is not the place to discuss my beliefs on where the world is going, and how long we have. You may want to keep an eye on your PM box though.

Note I too would be curious as to your perspective on this topic Nooka, its not one I often find time and/or people to discuss it with.

[Sgt. Nuker]

AJ, Chyros, check your inboxes lads.

An earthquake is one thing. Nations along the "Ring of Fire" have learned to deal with earthquakes as much as human technology has allowed them to. Adding in a tsunami is a whole other matter. The force of water is immense, and there is no way to outrun a wave once it hits shore (unless you're far away from the coast). The earthquake wasn't what killed tens of thousands of people, the tsunami was. The earthquake only spread devastation.

[Destiny]

There was little they could do with tsunami walls to not spoil the whole landscape and block off view of the ocean, sadly.

[SquigPie]

Well, Waterproofing their Nuclear Plants might've been an idea.

Wasn't it something about the backup generators being placed in a pair of...what's the word? Holes? So that when the water flooded the facility, the backup generators where amongst the first things to shut down.

Edited by SquigPie, 08 April 2011 - 06:48.