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PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 10:36, said:

Not at all. If anything, Opera has slightly more bloat than Chrome. (This is coming from someone who still prefers Opera over Chrome).

Vivaldi doesn't have 'bloat' it has options. It's designed for maximum customisation (like Opera originally used to be).

I dunno, I tried Vivaldi when it hit 1.0 and I can't say I was impressed. All of the 'customisation' was pretty rudimentary. Almost all of the functionality I need comes with Opera out of the box. It's slightly less memory-leaky than Chrome but unfortunately now that everything except Firefox using Chromium there's not much alternative if you want to avoid 8gb of memory being taken by your browser.

The new Firefox quantum looks promising but every time I try Firefox there's like 3 small ergonomic issues that make me never want to use it again.

[Destiny]

Hmm

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Alias, on 06 November 2017 - 11:29, said:

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 10:36, said:

Not at all. If anything, Opera has slightly more bloat than Chrome. (This is coming from someone who still prefers Opera over Chrome).

Vivaldi doesn't have 'bloat' it has options. It's designed for maximum customisation (like Opera originally used to be).

I dunno, I tried Vivaldi when it hit 1.0 and I can't say I was impressed. All of the 'customisation' was pretty rudimentary. Almost all of the functionality I need comes with Opera out of the box. It's slightly less memory-leaky than Chrome but unfortunately now that everything except Firefox using Chromium there's not much alternative if you want to avoid 8gb of memory being taken by your browser.

The new Firefox quantum looks promising but every time I try Firefox there's like 3 small ergonomic issues that make me never want to use it again.

It's far for rudimentary. For a start, It has an extendible sidebar system (including custom webpanels). As far as I am aware, it's the only (released) browser with this feature. FireFox has a plugin that can do it and there is a (limited) version in FireFox.

I've played around a bit with Quantum at home and it's relatively nice, but is unfortunately heading even further in the direction of Chrome (i.e. no custom functionality and no advanced functionality support for plugins).

[Alias]

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 11:56, said:

Alias, on 06 November 2017 - 11:29, said:

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 10:36, said:

Not at all. If anything, Opera has slightly more bloat than Chrome. (This is coming from someone who still prefers Opera over Chrome).

Vivaldi doesn't have 'bloat' it has options. It's designed for maximum customisation (like Opera originally used to be).

I dunno, I tried Vivaldi when it hit 1.0 and I can't say I was impressed. All of the 'customisation' was pretty rudimentary. Almost all of the functionality I need comes with Opera out of the box. It's slightly less memory-leaky than Chrome but unfortunately now that everything except Firefox using Chromium there's not much alternative if you want to avoid 8gb of memory being taken by your browser.

The new Firefox quantum looks promising but every time I try Firefox there's like 3 small ergonomic issues that make me never want to use it again.

It's far for rudimentary. For a start, It has an extendible sidebar system (including custom webpanels). As far as I am aware, it's the only (released) browser with this feature. FireFox has a plugin that can do it and there is a (limited) version in FireFox.

I've played around a bit with Quantum at home and it's relatively nice, but is unfortunately heading even further in the direction of Chrome (i.e. no custom functionality and no advanced functionality support for plugins).

Maybe I'm old fashioned or whatever, but I don't want a sidebar... I just want a compact section up the top with my tabs/bookmarks/address bar and the other 98% of the screen to be the webpage, I do everything else through hotkeys. The sort of extensibility I want is to be able to disable certain cruft here and there (and if there's less of it to start with I guess that's good too).

I'm not saying Vivaldi is a bad browser, definitely not - its one of the best of the non-major ones I've tried, just not my cup of tea.

[General]

Opera because free VPN. We need that here, can't even use Wikipedia without vpn. So tired of your shit dictator

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Alias, on 06 November 2017 - 12:27, said:

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 11:56, said:

Alias, on 06 November 2017 - 11:29, said:

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 10:36, said:

Not at all. If anything, Opera has slightly more bloat than Chrome. (This is coming from someone who still prefers Opera over Chrome).

Vivaldi doesn't have 'bloat' it has options. It's designed for maximum customisation (like Opera originally used to be).

I dunno, I tried Vivaldi when it hit 1.0 and I can't say I was impressed. All of the 'customisation' was pretty rudimentary. Almost all of the functionality I need comes with Opera out of the box. It's slightly less memory-leaky than Chrome but unfortunately now that everything except Firefox using Chromium there's not much alternative if you want to avoid 8gb of memory being taken by your browser.

The new Firefox quantum looks promising but every time I try Firefox there's like 3 small ergonomic issues that make me never want to use it again.

It's far for rudimentary. For a start, It has an extendible sidebar system (including custom webpanels). As far as I am aware, it's the only (released) browser with this feature. FireFox has a plugin that can do it and there is a (limited) version in FireFox.

I've played around a bit with Quantum at home and it's relatively nice, but is unfortunately heading even further in the direction of Chrome (i.e. no custom functionality and no advanced functionality support for plugins).

Maybe I'm old fashioned or whatever, but I don't want a sidebar... I just want a compact section up the top with my tabs/bookmarks/address bar and the other 98% of the screen to be the webpage, I do everything else through hotkeys. The sort of extensibility I want is to be able to disable certain cruft here and there (and if there's less of it to start with I guess that's good too).

I'm not saying Vivaldi is a bad browser, definitely not - its one of the best of the non-major ones I've tried, just not my cup of tea.

Well, I would say FireFox is the best in that regard then. Webkit/Chromium has always been pants in terms of interface customisation. Most chromium implementations you can't even reorder plugin buttons. >_>

[Destiny]

Ouch...

[Chyros]

Knowledge... not supposed to be known. Sights... better left unseen.

[Destiny]

Sounds Lovecraftian.

[TheDR]

Firefox is far superior for my tab obsession compared to Chrome. Chrome can't hack it.

[Chyros]

Destiny, on 06 November 2017 - 16:37, said:

Sounds Lovecraftian.

Bingo!

[TheDR]

Indescribable horrors?

Edited by TheDR, 06 November 2017 - 18:35.

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TheDR, on 06 November 2017 - 17:11, said:

Firefox is far superior for my tab obsession compared to Chrome. Chrome can't hack it.

Just a shame Quantum has killed off a lot of plugins. I had 200~ tabs open in FireFox with the help of the tab groups plugin... That's no longer supported. D;

[TheDR]

Shame!

[General]

TheDR, on 06 November 2017 - 18:28, said:

Indescribable horrors?

Everything can be described, if you saw or hear them

Edited by Generay, 06 November 2017 - 20:20.

[Destiny]

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 19:14, said:

TheDR, on 06 November 2017 - 17:11, said:

Firefox is far superior for my tab obsession compared to Chrome. Chrome can't hack it.

Just a shame Quantum has killed off a lot of plugins. I had 200~ tabs open in FireFox with the help of the tab groups plugin... That's no longer supported. D;

Being a dev requires so many tabs to be used?

[CJ]

Alias, on 06 November 2017 - 12:27, said:

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 11:56, said:

Alias, on 06 November 2017 - 11:29, said:

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 10:36, said:

Not at all. If anything, Opera has slightly more bloat than Chrome. (This is coming from someone who still prefers Opera over Chrome).

Vivaldi doesn't have 'bloat' it has options. It's designed for maximum customisation (like Opera originally used to be).

I dunno, I tried Vivaldi when it hit 1.0 and I can't say I was impressed. All of the 'customisation' was pretty rudimentary. Almost all of the functionality I need comes with Opera out of the box. It's slightly less memory-leaky than Chrome but unfortunately now that everything except Firefox using Chromium there's not much alternative if you want to avoid 8gb of memory being taken by your browser.

The new Firefox quantum looks promising but every time I try Firefox there's like 3 small ergonomic issues that make me never want to use it again.

It's far for rudimentary. For a start, It has an extendible sidebar system (including custom webpanels). As far as I am aware, it's the only (released) browser with this feature. FireFox has a plugin that can do it and there is a (limited) version in FireFox.

I've played around a bit with Quantum at home and it's relatively nice, but is unfortunately heading even further in the direction of Chrome (i.e. no custom functionality and no advanced functionality support for plugins).

Maybe I'm old fashioned or whatever, but I don't want a sidebar... I just want a compact section up the top with my tabs/bookmarks/address bar and the other 98% of the screen to be the webpage, I do everything else through hotkeys. The sort of extensibility I want is to be able to disable certain cruft here and there (and if there's less of it to start with I guess that's good too).

I'm not saying Vivaldi is a bad browser, definitely not - its one of the best of the non-major ones I've tried, just not my cup of tea.

Vivaldi is a no go for me because of the lack of sync.
Opera is reportedly phoning back to some chinese companies, and their so called free VPN routes everything through china, so I don't trust them. Besides, it has just turned into an non customization chromium browser with some red (Opera) paint splashed onto it.
Chrome is owned by big brother, and has no customization whatsoever.
Firefox has gone to shit with every update, to the point of killing off the majority of the addons on AMO.
Brave browser doesn't have plugin support, and its owner is a bigot who's been booted from Mozilla.

So basically, picking a browser has become a "pick your poison" kind of deal.
Thankfully, for now I've found Waterfox which retains all functionality from Firefox 53- with the support for new extensions, but without breaking the old ones. But who knows how long that'll last. :|

[TheDR]

Night!

[General]

Morning!

[Chyros]

...Morning is a very relative concept .

[TheDR]

Afternoon!

[Chyros]

Afternoon is an absolute, however.

[General]

What happens after afternoon!?

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

CJ, on 06 November 2017 - 21:46, said:

Alias, on 06 November 2017 - 12:27, said:

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 11:56, said:

Alias, on 06 November 2017 - 11:29, said:

PacBloke, on 06 November 2017 - 10:36, said:

Not at all. If anything, Opera has slightly more bloat than Chrome. (This is coming from someone who still prefers Opera over Chrome).

Vivaldi doesn't have 'bloat' it has options. It's designed for maximum customisation (like Opera originally used to be).

I dunno, I tried Vivaldi when it hit 1.0 and I can't say I was impressed. All of the 'customisation' was pretty rudimentary. Almost all of the functionality I need comes with Opera out of the box. It's slightly less memory-leaky than Chrome but unfortunately now that everything except Firefox using Chromium there's not much alternative if you want to avoid 8gb of memory being taken by your browser.

The new Firefox quantum looks promising but every time I try Firefox there's like 3 small ergonomic issues that make me never want to use it again.

It's far for rudimentary. For a start, It has an extendible sidebar system (including custom webpanels). As far as I am aware, it's the only (released) browser with this feature. FireFox has a plugin that can do it and there is a (limited) version in FireFox.

I've played around a bit with Quantum at home and it's relatively nice, but is unfortunately heading even further in the direction of Chrome (i.e. no custom functionality and no advanced functionality support for plugins).

Maybe I'm old fashioned or whatever, but I don't want a sidebar... I just want a compact section up the top with my tabs/bookmarks/address bar and the other 98% of the screen to be the webpage, I do everything else through hotkeys. The sort of extensibility I want is to be able to disable certain cruft here and there (and if there's less of it to start with I guess that's good too).

I'm not saying Vivaldi is a bad browser, definitely not - its one of the best of the non-major ones I've tried, just not my cup of tea.

Vivaldi is a no go for me because of the lack of sync.
Opera is reportedly phoning back to some chinese companies, and their so called free VPN routes everything through china, so I don't trust them. Besides, it has just turned into an non customization chromium browser with some red (Opera) paint splashed onto it.
Chrome is owned by big brother, and has no customization whatsoever.
Firefox has gone to shit with every update, to the point of killing off the majority of the addons on AMO.
Brave browser doesn't have plugin support, and its owner is a bigot who's been booted from Mozilla.

So basically, picking a browser has become a "pick your poison" kind of deal.
Thankfully, for now I've found Waterfox which retains all functionality from Firefox 53- with the support for new extensions, but without breaking the old ones. But who knows how long that'll last. :|

Agreed. As much as I like Vivaldi, it's far from a perfect browser. Bring back the glory days of FireFox 3, that's what I say!

[Destiny]

Still a Firefox gent.