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[TheDR]

Bob, on 02 October 2023 - 22:13, said:

Wow, it's cool that meme already existed.

[Chyros]

Bob, on 02 October 2023 - 22:39, said:

While Macs certainly have their issues, they're certainly not cheaply made crap. The stability of my work Macbook Pro doesn't even come to close to literally any windows device I've ever had.

Let's say cheaply made compared to the prices they're asking. It's especially bad when you consider their peripherals.

Also, aluminium isn't as great as you may think.

[General]

It is good that i am way too poor to even think about getting it.

[TheDR]

Chyros, on 02 October 2023 - 22:44, said:

Bob, on 02 October 2023 - 22:39, said:

While Macs certainly have their issues, they're certainly not cheaply made crap. The stability of my work Macbook Pro doesn't even come to close to literally any windows device I've ever had.

Let's say cheaply made compared to the prices they're asking. It's especially bad when you consider their peripherals.

Also, aluminium isn't as great as you may think.

There was that story about the MacBook user who closed their laptop with a grain of rice inside and it killed it.

[Alias]

Bob, on 02 October 2023 - 21:44, said:

I want to get a personal dev environment set up, and definitely don't want to faff around on windows.

It's the first apple product I'm genuinely considering buying, but the thing that's making me hesitate is the same thing that's always put me off: The ridiculous apple tax (and the fact I can't upgrade later).

I can get 256GB Mac Mini for £499 (which is somewhat reasonable), or I can go for the 512GB £645, i.e. ?150~ more.

I can literally buy a 512GB M.2 for £20~. How can Apple justify that price!?

The other nice thing about Apple stuff (besides just being fancy Unix) is if you want to resell it you can usually get a pretty good price back (not too sure the market on Guernsey, but in Sydney you can usually get about 80% of what you paid for it in the first couple of years), so if it's really not working for you you might be able to dip out without tanking too much of a loss.

I was put off Macs during the last days of Intel when they got really shit, but tbh for work I've used both a M1 14" MBP and an M2 Macbook Air and they're both actually really good for dev stuff. If you do foresee you will use it longer than for the next few years I would suggest getting ripped off and getting a RAM upgrade, it's the one that is worth it. You probably won't run out of storage unless you're editing photos/video or need to have a bunch of virtual machines. Even then, an external USB3 drive is substantially cheaper and practically the same performance unless you're writing hundreds of thousands of tiny files over and over.

If you have decent familiarity with the more terminal-side of Mac OS, some of the more modern Linux distros are actually not too bad either, definitely a lot easier than Windows for most things. But if your reasoning is to avoid the tedium then that's about the opposite direction.

Edited by Alias, 03 October 2023 - 08:12.

[General]

I want to know the progress about the vehicle that we have been promised.

[Alias]

Let's see Paul Allen's car.

[General]

Atleast he has one, we are still waiting

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Alias, on 03 October 2023 - 08:07, said:

The other nice thing about Apple stuff (besides just being fancy Unix) is if you want to resell it you can usually get a pretty good price back (not too sure the market on Guernsey, but in Sydney you can usually get about 80% of what you paid for it in the first couple of years), so if it's really not working for you you might be able to dip out without tanking too much of a loss.

Yeah, it's pretty similar over here. too

Alias, on 03 October 2023 - 08:07, said:

I was put off Macs during the last days of Intel when they got really shit, but tbh for work I've used both a M1 14" MBP and an M2 Macbook Air and they're both actually really good for dev stuff.

Agreed. The Intel Macbook I had before this, I tried to convince my boss to let me use a Windows PC because I was just so pissed off with it.

Alias, on 03 October 2023 - 08:07, said:

If you do foresee you will use it longer than for the next few years I would suggest getting ripped off and getting a RAM upgrade, it's the one that is worth it.

Yeah, I'm starting to think it makes sense to get 16GB of ram, which is what I have in my Macbook. In theory, 8GB should be fine for what I'll be doing, but it probably makes sense to future proof a little bit, given how long Macs last.

Alias, on 03 October 2023 - 08:07, said:

You probably won't run out of storage unless you're editing photos/video or need to have a bunch of virtual machines. Even then, an external USB3 drive is substantially cheaper and practically the same performance unless you're writing hundreds of thousands of tiny files over and over.

I am potentially going to be working with large images which might eat into storage, but like you say an external drive is probably fine. I've also been thinking of looking into getting a NAS too, to make it easier to share stuff between devices.

Alias, on 03 October 2023 - 08:07, said:

If you have decent familiarity with the more terminal-side of Mac OS, some of the more modern Linux distros are actually not too bad either, definitely a lot easier than Windows for most things. But if your reasoning is to avoid the tedium then that's about the opposite direction.

I am familiar with Terminal, but the latter is definitely a part of it. The other part of it, as dumb as it sounds, is the additional modifier key. At this point I couldn't do with out the additional layer of keyboard shortcuts.

[General]

*accidentally drops the into the lava*

*WALL OF TEXT APPEARS!*


Fuck... I wasn't ready for hardmode lptpw >_>

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

But seriously though, wasn't there a promise of a car at some point?

[General]

Should we start to worry about the promised day of delivery or is it still too early?

[Alias]

Bob, on 03 October 2023 - 09:41, said:

Alias, on 03 October 2023 - 08:07, said:

If you have decent familiarity with the more terminal-side of Mac OS, some of the more modern Linux distros are actually not too bad either, definitely a lot easier than Windows for most things. But if your reasoning is to avoid the tedium then that's about the opposite direction.

I am familiar with Terminal, but the latter is definitely a part of it. The other part of it, as dumb as it sounds, is the additional modifier key. At this point I couldn't do with out the additional layer of keyboard shortcuts.

Yeah actually, come to think of it I haven't used a non-Mac environment for development for at least 8 years, so I would honestly have to relearn all the shortcuts. Even if everything else was equal, probably worth the extra money just to avoid the work and effort learning everything again.

At that stage may as well just learn vim

Edited by Alias, 03 October 2023 - 10:14.

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Alias, on 03 October 2023 - 10:12, said:

At that stage may as well just learn vim

You take that back right now.

[General]

If it troubles you that much, perhaps you should be doing another job.

[Alias]

Punch cards, perchance

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

But seriously, is there a timeline for the car or..?

[TheDR]

Yes, I agree. We really need an update on the car.

[General]

TheDR, on 03 October 2023 - 11:53, said:

Yes, I agree. We really need an update on the car.

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Is there a lore reason we don't have a car yet?

[TheDR]

There was a fire in the apple factory?

[Chyros]

So I saw a few bats on my trip.

[Major Fuckup]

But did they have coronas?

[Destiny]

Windows here

[General]

TheDR, on 03 October 2023 - 12:54, said:

There was a fire in the apple factory?