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[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Stanley Ipkiss.

[Chyros]

TheDR, on 12 June 2025 - 18:54, said:

It's BS as well, rats have been pests on farms since time immemorial as well.

[TheDR]

Yeah, because farms are completely natural

[Chyros]

TheDR, on 12 June 2025 - 22:27, said:

Yeah, because farms are completely natural

The video is talking about cities, not natural places. Other animal species would regard certain species as pests too.

Besides, farming IS natural.

[TheDR]

Why do you believe farming is natural?

[General]

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Fucking finally, it has begun

Edited by General, 13 June 2025 - 07:31.

[TheDR]

Turkey is not in a great place for the incoming shit winds

[Chyros]

TheDR, on 12 June 2025 - 22:55, said:

Why do you believe farming is natural?

1) Some animal species do it;
2) It harnesses a natural process.

[General]

Humans came from nature, is part of it, therefore everything we do is natural

If some ethereal beings invaded our planet from another dimension and did some weird shit not explainable with our universe's laws of physics, then that would be unnatural.

Edited by General, 13 June 2025 - 08:46.

[TheDR]

Chyros, on 13 June 2025 - 08:32, said:

TheDR, on 12 June 2025 - 22:55, said:

Why do you believe farming is natural?

1) Some animal species do it;
2) It harnesses a natural process.

Yes, we are one of the animal species that do it! However, farming on the scale that humans manage changes the way the environment/ecosystems work, unlike any other animal to ever exist on earth (which is both impressive and terrifying). Mass farming began 10,000 years ago, but the evolution of the rat is tens of million years ago. Rats are now evolving rapidly to adjust to humanities changes to the world and are thriving despite many other creatures being decimated.

I guess, within this context, natural vs unnatural can be argued based on the timescale?

[General]

"Since life was totally anaerobic 2.7 billion years ago when cyanobacteria evolved, it is believed that oxygen acted as a poison and wiped out much of anaerobic life, creating an extinction event."

Other species caused mass extinctions too. Let humans cause it too. It is part of the natural process. We will go extinct and new species will emerge.

[TheDR]

When cyanobacteria evolved I don't believe it had enough conscious thought to understand what it was doing
Also the process took 200-300 million years.

Again, I believe the timescale is the unnatural part when it comes to humanities impact.

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Edit: The sci-fi book series, The Long Earth, has some really cool depictions of alternative earths that have entirely different ecosystems based on complete changes within the basic chemical compoents of life (but that doesn't come up until book three I think...).

Edited by TheDR, 13 June 2025 - 09:48.

[General]

Timescale of an asteroid wiping everything out is quite short too

[Chyros]

TheDR, on 13 June 2025 - 09:44, said:

When cyanobacteria evolved I don't believe it had enough conscious thought to understand what it was doing
Also the process took 200-300 million years.

Again, I believe the timescale is the unnatural part when it comes to humanities impact.

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Edit: The sci-fi book series, The Long Earth, has some really cool depictions of alternative earths that have entirely different ecosystems based on complete changes within the basic chemical compoents of life (but that doesn't come up until book three I think...).

I think by now one could argue humanity isn't really conscious of it either .

I get what you mean in terms of timescale and all, but I don't think that's a very solid criterium. Beavers can change whole landscapes and ecosystems in a matter of years too. In fact, in many places nature works surprisingly quickly, just look at what's now happening in Chernobyl.

Even if there were no other instances I'd still disagree though. Farming, even when done fast, and on large scale, is still using a natural process. The opposite of natural is synthetic, and farming is one of the things that hasn't turned synthetic yet. Efficient, yes. Large-scale, yes. Accelerated with chemicals, yes. But it's still real plants and animals growing.We just learned how to make nature produce things more usefully for us.

[Alias]

Chyros, on 12 June 2025 - 15:28, said:

Americans are so good at entertaining. I'm watching a competitive show about tattoo-making and it's great.

I can't stand the fake enthusiasm about everything

[General]

Whole world exaggarate and fake their military capabilities. America fakes everything but that

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

We need jungle I'm afraid.

[General]

Wouldn't you be more afraid in the jungle?

[Alias]

Those pipes

Pipes

[Chyros]

Alias, on 13 June 2025 - 12:15, said:

Chyros, on 12 June 2025 - 15:28, said:

Americans are so good at entertaining. I'm watching a competitive show about tattoo-making and it's great.

I can't stand the fake enthusiasm about everything

Yeah that's very much in their culture. I really like the art in the show though.

You sound like you'd get along with Dutch people well .

[Alias]

Chyros, on 13 June 2025 - 13:47, said:

Alias, on 13 June 2025 - 12:15, said:

Chyros, on 12 June 2025 - 15:28, said:

Americans are so good at entertaining. I'm watching a competitive show about tattoo-making and it's great.

I can't stand the fake enthusiasm about everything

Yeah that's very much in their culture. I really like the art in the show though. You sound like you'd get along with Dutch people well .

My best mate is a Bulgarian bloke who lived in Poland for 8 years - even more dry, we get on great

[General]

Bulgarian bloke who lived in Poland for 8 years?

Is this him?

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

In a way... yes, but in another way...no.

Edited by Slightly Wonky Robob, 13 June 2025 - 16:24.

[Chyros]

Alias, on 13 June 2025 - 13:53, said:

Chyros, on 13 June 2025 - 13:47, said:

Alias, on 13 June 2025 - 12:15, said:

Chyros, on 12 June 2025 - 15:28, said:

Americans are so good at entertaining. I'm watching a competitive show about tattoo-making and it's great.

I can't stand the fake enthusiasm about everything

Yeah that's very much in their culture. I really like the art in the show though. You sound like you'd get along with Dutch people well .

My best mate is a Bulgarian bloke who lived in Poland for 8 years - even more dry, we get on great

Oof, that's a powerful combination for absence of visible emotion .

[General]