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[Eddy01741]

Well, research shows... you load bullets into the barrel infront of each other, and they electircally detonate one by one, so to make it go very fast. Well, reloading would mean reloading them in a line, one in front of another. So you can't automatically reload it, adn even if you, it would be quite slow compared to reloading on machine guns, as machine guns are just, put the first bullet in belt in, cock the firing pin, and start firing. Metal storm would reauire a long time just to get the bullets in al like 20+ barrels, and stacked one by one. And it wasn't made by the army, in fact, not even by American manufacturers, it was made in Australia.

[Moosy Crisp]

Speed Loaders. They use them for .22 rifles with a tubular magazine. THis same concept can be used with the Metal Storm, so reloading shouldn't be an issue.

[Eddy01741]

wtf is a speed loader and how can you get a speed loader on each one of fifty barrels?

[BillyChaka]

It'll be even harder to use a speedloader on those bulky grenade launchers.

[Wanderer]

Metalstorms bullets are pre loaded into tubes wich are loaded into the actual barrels. Because it would be quite hard to to it in the battlefield, since you would have to load the gunpowder into the same barrel at the same time.

Edited by Wanderer, 19 October 2006 - 23:20.

[Moosy Crisp]

Speed loaders are long tubes filled with ammo, okay? You would stick them into the magazine ( barrel in this case ) and pour the ammo into it until it's full. You can have more than one person help reload so it goes faster. And the grenade launcher cartridges shouldn't be any more difficult to load than any other shells.

[Eddy01741]

Oh, you mean strip/charger loading lmao. THat's not near as fast as changing a belt nor a magazine. And to use speed loaders in 25+ barrels is just going to take amazingly long, you'd need like 25+ men to do that in even near the time of changing a belt, and with 25+ men, the speed loaders still are too slow, and the fact that 25 men can't load at the same time as the space taken up by one man is like the space of at least 3 barrels in just width.

[Razven]

Let's just say that I mount that thing on a turret, or use it as an ambush weapon..like, place that in front of some poor sod's barracks. Besides, this thing has a selective fire. Fire 1, done. Fire all, done.

[Eddy01741]

... I doubt any soldier could carry a 20+ barreled weapon and mount it on a tripod... in fact, you'd need like a soldier per every two barrels. Y'know what's more logical than having one huge thing with 50 barrels? How bout one man has one barrel with metal storm tech, so he rapidly shoots full auto, then 'speedloads' without any difficulty, as there arn't 25 men fighting to put the bullets/nades in barrels at the same time. Oh... wait, why don't we just use a conventional LMG (FN Minimi/SAW, MG4 etc.) or a GPMG (M60, M240G, MG3 etc.) as those can use 100-200 round belts instead of speedloading every... 10 rounds. In otherwords, metal storm is not needed, and a simple machinegun could EASILY ambush.

[Eureka Seven]

eddy why are you so against this gun, this has probebly opened the future to fast wepons and many other things, it probebly wont be used at the stage it is in for the militay, even if the Aussies did they probebly wont be attacked anyway. As far as i can see this gun would be very usefull for anti aircraft, im sure they can modify this gun so it has continuous rounds so no reload for a while.

[Eddy01741]

Because it's so fracking redundant. Seriously, it's like having a 3000RPM machinegun instead of a 750RPM one. It's obvious that they both can kill people easy, but a 3000RPM machinegun will easily waste bullets and if you were trying to 'mow down infantary' you would run out of ammo quicker and the fact that you fire so quick means that at least 2 bullets will hit each infantaryman your trying to kill instead of one, which is not neccesary. Add long reload time, and it's totally useless. Seriously, how are you gonna get a loading system that will litterally stack bullets on top of each oher so quick that it gives it full auto fire? And opening the future to fast weapons, are you serious? The only time you need a fast machinegun is in an aircraft or killing aircraft. You obviously can't mount a 20+ barreled behemoth on an aircraft, so the only logical use is for anti-air, and... frankly, I think SAMs can do bettter than a metal storm. It's totally not neccesary, it's total overkill and therefore it wastes ammo and requires longer time to reload and such, making it even less useful than a conventional machinegun.

[Eureka Seven]

eddy i think we can make it countinuos round, if we can harness atomic energy and use it as a weapon and energy, i sure as hell think we can allow it reload over and over. If we look a bit deeper into this, think about robot soldiers, it may be far in the future but we know it will happen. Robots are much more articulate then regular humans allowing them to be sesative twords how carefully they shoot, in other words they will be able to shoot only 1 bullet at the speed the metal storm shoots. It is an advancement in technology, dont call it redundant, it will come in use and will be an advantage in war.

Edited by Shas'O Kais, 19 November 2006 - 03:25.

[BillyChaka]

It is redundant. We haven't harnessed kinetic energy. Until then, it is redundant.

[Eddy01741]

 Shas'O Kais, on 18 Nov 2006, 22:24, said:

eddy i think we can make it countinuos round, if we can harness atomic energy and use it as a weapon and energy, i sure as hell think we can allow it reload over and over. If we look a bit deeper into this, think about robot soldiers, it may be far in the future but we know it will happen. Robots are much more articulate then regular humans allowing them to be sesative twords how carefully they shoot, in other words they will be able to shoot only 1 bullet at the speed the metal storm shoots. It is an advancement in technology, dont call it redundant, it will come in use and will be an advantage in war.

Are you seriously this stupid? HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THE F*CKING DESCRIPTION OF THE FREAKING GUN? IT MUST BE MUZZLE LOADED. CAN YOU MUZZLE LOAD 50+ BARRELS IN EVEN 30 SECONDS, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Seriously, THINK LOGICALLY. Yes we can load machineguns with a simple disintigrating belt system, MAYBE THAT"S WHY WE STILL USE BELT FED MACHINE GUNS. Why? Because we dont' need anything better, and anything better is redundant for our purposes. I'd seriously rather have a belt fed grenade or rocket launcher (i know it's fake, but just imagine if there was one) than a metal storm.

Oh... and harness atomic energy? Well what's easier, defy the laws of physics by continually loading 50 barrles muzzle loaded in less than one second, or abiding by the laws of physics. BTW, WE NEEDED THE ATOMIC BOMB BACK THEN. There is no need for a faster firing machine gun. Heck, Why do you think troops arn't carrying vulcans or miniguns with them on the battlefield? Because they're too heavy and not needed except for anti air purposes, but then just take a freaking stinger with you.

Edited by Eddy01741, 19 November 2006 - 15:05.

[Eureka Seven]

well im not going to feed ur ever growing anger and imatureness twords this, you didnt even adress my robot fact, you are over reacting.

[Wanderer]

On a side note there are belt fed grenade launchers

[BillyChaka]

 Shas'O Kais, on 19 Nov 2006, 11:54, said:

well im not going to feed ur ever growing anger and imatureness twords this, you didnt even adress my robot fact, you are over reacting.

Then why don't they just get the robots to use the belt fed guns?

[Moosy Crisp]

Eddy settle down dude, you're starting to act like the resource room children.

A speed loader would work magnificantly with the Metal Storm. It's just the same as having a magazine for an assault rifle. It takes about the same to load with a speed loader as with a magazine, and if you think that I am wrong, try it for yourself, instead of basing everything on logic.

Edited by Moosy Crisp!, 19 November 2006 - 23:28.

[AllStarZ]

 Moosy Crisp!, on 19 Nov 2006, 18:27, said:

Eddy settle down dude, you're starting to act like the resource room children.

SOFA KING WEE TARD IT

[Eddy01741]

Okay, i calm down. But seriously, how do you get a fifty barreled behemoth to be 'speed loaded' with speed loader. It wouldn't be rather 'speedy' Anyways, wtf is your post about Allstarz?

[Eureka Seven]

there are some things that still need to be answered, really how do you get a 50 barreled gun to reload, anything is possible if you put ur mind to it, well almost anything.

[Moosy Crisp]

Wiki revolver, then when you see the mentioning of a speedloader, click on it. Look closely at the picture. Let's say we replace those .44 bullets with smaller speedloader, one for each of the barrels. Stick the device down all of the barrels, and load them all at the same time.

[Eddy01741]

Well, use logic, 50 barrle gun can't have hoppers, belts, magazines, basically anything besdies muzzle 'speedloading' Now get a couple of guys to 'speedload' 50 barrels, does it work, not really. Maybe that's why we don't use metal storm, face it, if we NEED a weapon, we are going to try to make one, if we don't need a weapon, then we just wait for others to introduce it and use it in combat before we even come close to adapting it. Seriously though. What's better, fifty men with MG3 (super awesome german GPMG) or a 50 barreld metal storm? With fifty men manning a MG3 each, they can independantly target enemies, with MG3s, you can reload faster and use belts instead of using speedloaders. Get my drift yet? (if you dont' then... well *starts banging head on the wall*)

[Eddy01741]

Well, use logic, 50 barrle gun can't have hoppers, belts, magazines, basically anything besdies muzzle 'speedloading' Now get a couple of guys to 'speedload' 50 barrels, does it work, not really. Maybe that's why we don't use metal storm, face it, if we NEED a weapon, we are going to try to make one, if we don't need a weapon, then we just wait for others to introduce it and use it in combat before we even come close to adapting it. Seriously though. What's better, fifty men with MG3 (super awesome german GPMG) or a 50 barreld metal storm? With fifty men manning a MG3 each, they can independantly target enemies, with MG3s, you can reload faster and use belts instead of using speedloaders. Get my drift yet? (if you dont' then... well *starts banging head on the wall*)

Darn double post glitch.

Edited by Eddy01741, 21 November 2006 - 00:56.

[Eureka Seven]

ill add a solution, just make it one barrel rather than 50.