Osama is Dead
SquigPie 04 May 2011
Alias, on 4 May 2011, 10:06, said:
Your logic makes zero sense. I can't argue with you over how pointless your argument just was.
Anyway, I'm out of here. I don't like the tone of this discussion anymore.
Edited by SquigPie, 04 May 2011 - 09:02.
TehKiller 04 May 2011
Nid 04 May 2011
Edited by Nid, 04 May 2011 - 11:24.
CJ 04 May 2011
Ion Cannon! 04 May 2011
Nid, on 4 May 2011, 12:23, said:
Indeed, there was little point in trying him because well, he already claimed responsibility for several terrorist attacks. A trial would have just confirmed his guilt. And then the americans would have killed him anyway.
CJ 04 May 2011
Alias 04 May 2011
Ion Cannon!, on 4 May 2011, 21:53, said:
Nid, on 4 May 2011, 12:23, said:
Indeed, there was little point in trying him because well, he already claimed responsibility for several terrorist attacks. A trial would have just confirmed his guilt. And then the americans would have killed him anyway.
deltaepsilon 04 May 2011
Ion Cannon! 04 May 2011
CJ, on 4 May 2011, 12:59, said:
It used to be the other way around, the arab world led in terms of science, literature, social issues ect. While europe squabbled over religion and treated illnesses with the most bizarre remedies. Sadly after the mongols and the Ottoman empire the middle east has never really recovered.
Chyros 04 May 2011
deltaepsilon, on 4 May 2011, 14:07, said:
Libains 04 May 2011
SquigPie 04 May 2011
Ghostrider 04 May 2011
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 9:22, said:
deltaepsilon, on 4 May 2011, 14:07, said:
A video of yourself admitting to killing over 3000 people is pretty strong evidence Chyros... They also have sources that point to him as the leader of attacks, i.e. other people that were under him admitting to work for him.
I thought they already came out and stated this was supposed to be an assassination anyways?
Chyros 04 May 2011
Ghostrider, on 4 May 2011, 18:37, said:
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 9:22, said:
deltaepsilon, on 4 May 2011, 14:07, said:
A video of yourself admitting to killing over 3000 people is pretty strong evidence Chyros... They also have sources that point to him as the leader of attacks, i.e. other people that were under him admitting to work for him.
Golan 04 May 2011
Especially seeing how this pretty much was a perfect case, he was definitely guilty, and he'd probably appear as no less than a total lunatic trying to defend against charges and spouting blind hatred, this would have been perfect for demonstrating the superiority of the "western" way - instead, we've only proven that we care shit about our own bigot ideals.
Ghostrider 04 May 2011
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 13:33, said:
Ghostrider, on 4 May 2011, 18:37, said:
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 9:22, said:
deltaepsilon, on 4 May 2011, 14:07, said:
A video of yourself admitting to killing over 3000 people is pretty strong evidence Chyros... They also have sources that point to him as the leader of attacks, i.e. other people that were under him admitting to work for him.
Over 30 videos linking Bin Laden not only to the 9/11 attacks but to other attacks resulting in fatalities have been discovered, as well as threats against President Obama, the US economy, propositions for people to join Al-Qaeda, etc. Even if half of those videos are "questionable," there is still a tremendous amount of evidence to support that Bin Laden has killed, or led others to kill for him.
And while this is conjecture, I think the US government has done far more than it's share of research on this man, far more than either of us could come up with on Google, given the best intelligence agency on Earth working on it for over 10 years. If it went to trial I'm pretty sure they could convict Osama of plenty to sentence him to death.
Chyros 04 May 2011
Ghostrider, on 4 May 2011, 19:59, said:
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 13:33, said:
Ghostrider, on 4 May 2011, 18:37, said:
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 9:22, said:
deltaepsilon, on 4 May 2011, 14:07, said:
A video of yourself admitting to killing over 3000 people is pretty strong evidence Chyros... They also have sources that point to him as the leader of attacks, i.e. other people that were under him admitting to work for him.
Over 30 videos linking Bin Laden not only to the 9/11 attacks but to other attacks resulting in fatalities have been discovered, as well as threats against President Obama, the US economy, propositions for people to join Al-Qaeda, etc. Even if half of those videos are "questionable," there is still a tremendous amount of evidence to support that Bin Laden has killed, or led others to kill for him.
Ghostrider 04 May 2011
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 14:26, said:
Not from the leader of one of the world's biggest terrorist organizations.
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 14:26, said:
If you're the leader of Al-Qaeda, which has orchestrated attacks not only on the US but on other countries as well, you're guilty.
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 14:26, said:
Shortly after the attacks on 9/11, the American and German governments both intercepted communications that pointed to Al Qaeda, and more specifically Bin Laden, as the leader of the attacks. Two of the hijackers on the planes were known members of Al-Qaeda, and as Osama Bin Laden was the leader of the terrorist group, it is logical that he would be the one who would plan such an act.
Osama was also linked to the bombing of the USS Cole in 1993 and the bombing of a US embassy in 1998.
Osama's own family has stated he has participated in all of these activities, not to mention other captured members of Al Qaeda. Also, Osama himself has stated that he orchestrated said attacks.
Three different, SPECIFIC crimes he can be convicted for.
Chyros, on 4 May 2011, 14:26, said:
Osama's been linked to way more than just 9/11 Chyros, as stated earlier.
Finally, as a known head of the one of the world's biggest terrorist organizations, I think in a trial with the fairest jury and judge he would find himself in the same situation he is in now (assuming the death penalty was a sentence option). This man is one of the most researched men in the world, by the top intelligence agencies in the world, and you think they can't dig up enough evidence to give him the worst sentence possible?
Edited by Ghostrider, 04 May 2011 - 18:53.
Chyros 04 May 2011
Ghostrider, on 4 May 2011, 20:52, said:
Don't get me wrong, I hate him and all that he stands for, and the more inhumane part of me is glad he's dead. I have eye witness accounts of the horrors the Taliban were involved in in Afghanistan; we've harboured an Afghan girl and her family in our house who had fled from the Taliban who wanted to force her to marry one of theirs and who made her and her family's life a living hell. But as far as 9/11 goes, I dimply don't see any real proof of his involvement of the deaths of all those people. I'm sure that totalling all evidence against him of other crimes it'd be easy to put him away for whatever number the prosecutors would deem sufficient. But be honest, that's NOT what I saw those people party about in all the vids of people shouting "USA USA" all the time.
Edited by Chyros, 04 May 2011 - 20:19.
Ghostrider 04 May 2011
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What caused them to collapse then!? They would not have collapsed if the planes didn't fly into the buildings...
Also, even if the towers didn't collapse, hundreds of people would still be dead from all three planes crashing after being hijacked by Al Qaeda terrorists.
And if Osama directed his terrorist organization to fly those planes into the WTC's on 9/11, he is certainly accountable for his actions. Just as President Obama is accountable for the death of Osama because he authorized and directed the US army to take him out.
Edited by Ghostrider, 04 May 2011 - 20:31.
Golan 04 May 2011
Ghostrider, on 4 May 2011, 17:59, said:
Some back ground wirepuller knowing for sure that someone is guilty doesn't cut it. Especially if it are the wirepullers that admittedly (yeah, no 9/11 conspiracy needed) that started a war on forged evidence. The wirepullers acknowledging nothing but their own laws (Den Haag, anyone?). The wirepullers might get their intel from CIA, NSA or TLA, but the world doesn't, and if they intent to police the world, they need to damn well stop pulling wires and talk to it.
Edited by Golan, 04 May 2011 - 20:53.
Chyros 04 May 2011
Ghostrider, on 4 May 2011, 22:31, said:
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What caused them to collapse then!? They would not have collapsed if the planes didn't fly into the buildings...
Fe2O3 + Al ---> Fe + Al2O3
in other words rust plus aluminium powder gives iron and aluminium oxide which is exactly what you see. Furthermore, XPS, TEM/SEM and TRS (i.e. electron microscopy and elemental analysis) analysis of the dust from the collapse show quite clearly that tiny iron spheres and sulphur residues are present which is exactly what happens when you ignite Thermate, a military version of thermite containing sulphur. The spheres can only evolve from molten iron droplets which is not possible to create during a fire and which has been independently proven to be the exact same result as that of a thermite explosion. Even unreacted particles of thermate were found at the scene. Fifth, the scene of ground zero, four to six weeks after 9/11 were found by thermal imaging to contain hotspots, which when dug up, turned out to be pools of molten iron in the deepest foundations of the tower. These can impossibly have evolved from the collapse or the airplanes for obvious reasons. Thermite however burns at about 2500 degrees C (about 4500 F) which is hot enough to create pools of molten metal that would've stayed hot for as long as they did. The core columns also showed a very obvious clean-cut profile typical of controlled demolition. Though to be fair these pictures were taken while the stuff was being excavated and therefore it's possible the salvage workers simply used a thermal lance to cut the columns away, no report of this was ever put forward. All of these profiles also fit the collapse of Building Seven perfectly, which not even a plane flew into before it collapsed. Sixth, the seismographic data from the scene at the time shows two shocks, one for each tower, right before the collapses twenty times as heavy as that of the measured impact of the jets.
I'd also put forward the countless eyewitness accounts of people who saw and heard explosions in the towers including the 118 firemen who attested to this and who were proficient with controlled demolitions as well as the crown witness who died shortly of unknown causes but those are not science and as such I personally disregard them, though I thought other people might enjoy it.
What conclusion to draw from it is a different story, though I'd say it's more than obvious it was NOT airplanes that caused it.
TehKiller 04 May 2011
Now I aint no conspiracy theorist or anything, but the lack of evidence for linking Osama and 9/11 is shocking. A 10 year war is still being waged based on that single shady vid. Not to mention the proposal the Taliban made to the US concerning extraditing Bin Laden.
Edited by TehKiller, 04 May 2011 - 21:45.
NergiZed 05 May 2011
Image of the remaining tail boom, which got blasted over the wall of the compound after the SEALs set off the charges.
More discussion here (though not much more info).