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[Whitey]

Vengence has a better skin there IMO but it looks too shiny and kinda crumbly...

[Crazykenny]

I like the smoothness of Chris skin. But i still think Vengance did a better job so far

[Dauth]

Liking all the skins, and the last image by chris could make a small comic strip,

[Kris]

 Dauth, on 26 Jul 2007, 18:24, said:

Liking all the skins, and the last image by chris could make a small comic strip,

Here:

[Jerinx]

This is LoL

[Crazykenny]

MEGALOL!

[Vengence]

 δαίμο&#, on 26 Jul 2007, 2:31, said:

Vengence has a better skin there IMO but it looks too shiny and kinda crumbly...

Thats because of the crazy normal maps. In 3ds they were kinda scaled up. I have no idea how they will be handled ingame but this is kinda close.

[MR.Kim]

mega size BM.

[Vengence]

Right time to get a consensus. I have adjusted the normal maps and I have 3 results of varying 'bumpiness'. So which do you all prefer:

bump 1 Original.

The one we all know

Bump 2 No scratches

Scratches removed

Bump 3 No panels, no scratches


I also have lightmaps. What do you think?

NONE


WITH

Edited by Vengence, 26 July 2007 - 16:27.

[Nexolate]

3 and Without.
Nice work as always Ven, I really want to play this.

[Vengence]

Lightmaps are definitely going in after some tweaking. Lightmaps realistically create lighting effects on a texture. Meaning it will look better ingame. Rather than a flat texture it has different lighting on parts of it to make it look more realistic.

Basically I am going for this effect:

Edited by Vengence, 26 July 2007 - 18:23.

[Nexolate]

Ah, well I can't wait bud. Good luck.

[Dauth]

lol at comic, @vengence these models are looking really cool, and i def agree with you about lightmaps

[Vengence]

Gotta stay alive in this :stickattack2: no matter what lol. Ok time for a break from the Bluestar. I admit, the Bluestar was the proving ground for me to test new innovations and now to move on. This time I show you the face of our enemy: The Templar's Knight Mech



A bit hefty on the poly count considering how many are going to be on screen at once but that can change hopefully. Another thing is that the feet have been MacGyvered from an older Knight mech on my harddrive so that will change as well as the poly count.

This unit is well built for 'spamming' in that you need quite alot and possibly only them to win certain battles. As I said before, their strength is in their retention of maximum firepower over dwindling numbers. When one dies it leave behind a hulk. Any Templar Knight class mech can Avatar Warmech style salvage that unit and utilize the fallen unit's machine gun. The typical Knight is not that strong, they are humanoid in design and have fairly average armor, speed, and fairly good firepower but when they salvage that fair firepower doubles, and a doubling of firepower is quite alot.

However they aren't limited to salvaging their own kin, they can salvage other dead variants of their kind IF CNC3 supports it. For example, the basic Knight mech I told you about has 2 small rocket racks and a big machine gun that can be held in the hand (not modeled yet). There are several other variants of this: The Bishop "Double or Nothing" type which doubles up on armor and weapons. A knight can salvage the armor for added protection. And the Rook "Mech Buster" type which wields a hefty bazooka (Yes these units are based off Chess names). When a Knight salvages a Rook it can not only use the Bazooka but also wield the machine gun it had originally. However the accuracy of the bazooka will be WAY off given that it is using one arm to aim.

Depending if CNC3 can support this, I MIGHT be able to make it so that one husk can yield multiple salvages if an upgraded form dies. If it does not work then the old upgrades will probably just disappear and only a machine gun will be left. We'll see how this works out.

[Nexolate]

It's a quality piece of Art, have to admit, however personally the blockiness brings it down.
I figure this is probably intended, but it's still a con in my eyes.

I'll probably be less sceptical with a skin though, so looking forward to it.

[Dauth]

its a wonderfu model, i liek the detail you've put into the joints and the salvage idea is intriguing

[Vengence]

 Nexolate, on 1 Aug 2007, 3:06, said:

It's a quality piece of Art, have to admit, however personally the blockiness brings it down.
I figure this is probably intended, but it's still a con in my eyes.

I'll probably be less sceptical with a skin though, so looking forward to it.

Parts of the legs and feel were made very fast so that I can get a render done and get over it. The feet were taken from an older model like 3 years old so those won't stay there. And thanks for the comments!

Edited by Vengence, 01 August 2007 - 14:30.

[Vengence]

btw, just as a general question:

What kind of unit/s would YOU like to see in the mod?

[Nexolate]

Atm I can't really complain with anything going in currently, I said the last one was blocky because that's what I thought when I first saw it.

Although, currently, the mod is lacking in any sort of aircraft.

[Vengence]

oh I forgot....



Just needs a good skin. They also have a sort of orca looking craft as in turbines and not props. I also have this ANCIENT model from my older mod for Generals



This is the basic transport, fairly big too but an alpha model from an old mod of mine.

[Nexolate]

Both of them look excellent, and really tie into the theme you've set.
Especially that Transport, really reminds me of the light transports they used in Armored Core. =)

Oh, I forgot. Haven't seen any Infantry either, if you've got some you want to show.

[Vengence]

I thought I did show a concept art . I am not exactly ready to actually make infantry yet since I don't really know how much detail is default in CNC3. Animation shouldn't be hard since I have animated bipeds before... I mean human like things pretty decently. For the time being I need to further understand the squad system if I want to make the squads I have in mind correctly. As I said the Empire like speed and versatility, meaning their infantry should at the very least have SOME kind of small Anti Tank or Anti Aircraft weapons. I never exactly said this specifically, but the Homeworlders do not like Micromanagement. This style is really the core of their gameplay I suppose.

[Judgement]

I like what im seeing so far.

I have to admit with others when I say that... the Knight, is too blocky. Reminds me of Lego. Im afraid he might break just as easily.
Might I suggest less blocky unit designs for that side?
Since the one side has sleek elongated units, why not give this side more rounded units?
Maybe make a basic body of the knight and "strap" armor plating to it instead of just making blockmen.
Would give it a more unique look as well as make it more towards its name.

[Vengence]

Too late, the rounded appearance look is already taken with the 3rd faction. These guys are meant to be blocky, and given the design making it rounded or strapping on stuff will skyrocket the polygons unless the unit went through a major creative overhaul. By major I mean extreme since I finalized their design long ago, not to mention the actual design is not good for roundness. Humanoids aren't very good with polygons, especially fingers and these units more or less MUST have fingers. I am currently considering looking at some Lost Planet VS designs. There are the occasional blocky or angled designs that might fit but we'll see. For one the chest mounted cockpit has to remain, it is a sort of design feature... a focal point if you will.

EDIT: I modified it a bit but now it is going to need a complete fix up. To be honest the original looked a bit better. Though I only modified the legs.

Edited by Vengence, 09 August 2007 - 02:04.

[Nexolate]

Alright mate, well I can't wait to see your infantry when you get the hang of it. If they're as good as what you've shown us so far, this mod'll be the best thing to hit C&C3 except the mythical Shockwave 2.

I understand that you want to make the Knight look blocky, but it's almost extremely so. Maybe if you sheared the vertical edges so that the legs have eight sides, then it may look a bit better. I understand if you don't want to change it though, it is your mod.