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[Areze]

Strategia, on 21 Dec 2007, 19:19, said:

Areze, on 22 Dec 2007, 1:09, said:

Also, is it me, or do only the "in crowd" people get comments? That is what pisses the most. It's only the same 2-3 people that ever get anything.

No. It's basically Kenny and Lizzie, even on the official forums; Lizzie's War Clockworks are an impromptu standard of überships, people call their überships "the next WCW beater", and with all due respect to Kenny and Lizzie, for they are good shipmakers, it's getting on my nerves as well.

Ships are, apparently, either in the extremely popular "WCW beater" category, or the less popular but still stubbornly existing "balanced with canon" category, with a few "eyecandy" ships, and it seems like that's everything people are interested in.

In my thread over at the official forums, I have had ONE comment about ONE ship, possibly coming from someone who didn't even download it (or at least hadn't downloaded it before making his/her comment), ONE commend on the number of ships, and THREE comments about the download, and that's it. I posted a teaser pic, and a list of info, just to try and keep it alive, but nobody has responded so far, and it died in two DAYS.

Amen. A- mother fucking -men.

[Strategia]

I, and Areze, and others, put a lot of effort into our ships, and the complete lack of comments is just insulting. Hell, I would've probably finished the two fleets I needed to complement the Iron Demons and would've begun the process of balancing them against each other WEEKS ago, had there been more interest. Instead, I now make maybe two or three ships a week tops. There's just so little motivation. All I have to keep me working on it is the idea of it being finished, and that's not much.

[Areze]

Strategia, on 21 Dec 2007, 19:25, said:

I, and Areze, and others, put a lot of effort into our ships, and the complete lack of comments is just insulting. Hell, I would've probably finished the two fleets I needed to complement the Iron Demons and would've begun the process of balancing them against each other WEEKS ago, had there been more interest. Instead, I now make maybe two or three ships a week tops. There's just so little motivation. All I have to keep me working on it is the idea of it being finished, and that's not much.

True. And to help keep people from ignoring us, I'll make it clear.



COMMENTS ARE APPRECIATED YOU KNOW.

[retry_1]

this little display of distaste is nice, but really, notice that kenny and lizzie take the time to make there ship designs impeccable, and write nice descriptions, while most people(me included) make 1500 ships in an hour or two and write one line about them. also kenny and lizzie have built up friendships on the board, rather than criping "aww, he gawts moar comments than me!!!"

[Areze]

So you think we don't? Last I checked, I wasn't griping but commenting on the fact that my work, when made EVEN WHEN IT"S A BIG SHIP, goes down like I didn't even fucking post. I would appreciate the fact their ships are nice if only I was capable of having point posting stuff here. I find it unfair when only two people have a monopoly on attention. i do write descriptions of them, sucks that it doesn't help.

[Strategia]

retry_1, on 22 Dec 2007, 1:29, said:

this little display of distaste is nice, but really, notice that kenny and lizzie take the time to make there ship designs impeccable, and write nice descriptions, while most people(me included) make 1500 ships in an hour or two and write one line about them. also kenny and lizzie have built up friendships on the board, rather than criping "aww, he gawts moar comments than me!!!"

Oh, you think Kenny and Lizzie are the only people capable of putting time into their ships? Or does only their time matter? Do you think it's easy, being forced to create a dozen variations off of the same design and having to keep them original and unique in their own right? Looking through Wiki, deciding on what and what not to put in? Devising specific roles for special units? Testing EVERY SINGLE SHIP to make sure it works right, doesn't crash and does what it's supposed to do? Or am I just wasting my time, since I am not one of the revered few and so my ships don't matter anyway? Well then, I won't bother with developing the background universe further then as well.

Also, it's not that they get more attention, it's that they get ALL the attention. My thread over at the BF forums DIED IN TWO DAYS. Dang near HALF the posts in it are mine, and only NOW did I receive a comment on my actual ships (thank you Areze). Over here, three people post their work and get maybe one comment if they're lucky, then Kenny or Lizzie post a few screens and bam, they get a quarter to half a page.

Edited by Strategia, 22 December 2007 - 00:51.

[Areze]

Strategia, on 21 Dec 2007, 19:46, said:

retry_1, on 22 Dec 2007, 1:29, said:

this little display of distaste is nice, but really, notice that kenny and lizzie take the time to make there ship designs impeccable, and write nice descriptions, while most people(me included) make 1500 ships in an hour or two and write one line about them. also kenny and lizzie have built up friendships on the board, rather than criping "aww, he gawts moar comments than me!!!"

Oh, you think Kenny and Lizzie are the only people capable of putting time into their ships? Or does only their time matter? Do you think it's easy, being forced to create a dozen variations off of the same design and having to keep them original and unique in their own right? Looking through Wiki, deciding on what and what not to put in? Devising specific roles for special units? Testing EVERY SINGLE SHIP to make sure it works right, doesn't crash and does what it's supposed to do? Or am I just wasting my time, since I am not one of the revered few and so my ships don't matter anyway?

Also, it's not that they get more attention, it's that they get ALL the attention. My thread over at the BF forums DIED IN TWO DAYS. Dang near HALF the posts in it are mine, and only NOW did I receive a comment on my actual ships (thank you Areze).

You're welcome. But don't let it go to your head. We aren't important enough for "actual" feedback.

[retry_1]

The trident, named for it's three levels of weaponry, is designed specifically to bludgeon the enemy until it can be bludgeoned no more. It uses layers of weaponry to keep it's hull small, allowing it to remain fairly quick, and have s high turn rate for a ship of it's power. Don't look to beat this one in an out and out fight, its impeaders can halt any drones within range. its major weakness is it's rear, so flanking fighters are your best beat against this beast.

Edited by retry_1, 22 December 2007 - 01:24.

[Zancloufer]

@ Areze & Strategia, I know what you mean. It takes a long time to make a large fleet of ships that fill in many roles. You have to spend any where from 10 to 60 minutes building, testing, and tweaking EACH SHIP >_>

[Lizzie]

Oh wow, look what I have to wake up too. Wonderful.

I think I'll really stop making ships now, since their very presence offends you.

Zancloufer, on 22 Dec 2007, 9:15, said:

@ Areze & Strategia, I know what you mean. It takes a long time to make a large fleet of ships that fill in many roles. You have to spend any where from 10 to 60 minutes building, testing, and tweaking EACH SHIP >_>

Yea? My Velvet Hammer Flagship took 6 hours to make the final version. Not counting the 2 days it took me through 4 different prototypes.

Edited by Lizzie-DS, 22 December 2007 - 17:00.

[Strategia]

Lizzie-DS, on 22 Dec 2007, 17:58, said:

Oh wow, look what I have to wake up too. Wonderful.

I think I'll really stop making ships now, since their very presence offends you.

Strategia, on 22 Dec 2007, 1:19, said:

and with all due respect to Kenny and Lizzie, for they are good shipmakers

I'm not saying you don't have a right to create ships, and I'm not saying their presence offends me. They are beautiful ships, and it's obvious to anyone that you've spent a lot of time making them. My comment isn't directed at you, it's directed at all the others who make regular comments on your ships but apparently completely ignore everyone else's.

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My Velvet Hammer Flagship took 6 hours to make the final version. Not counting the 2 days it took me through 4 different prototypes.

Respect to you. I haven't spent that much time on a single ship yet, but my ships are a lot smaller and, primarily, I'm pursuing an incremental release plan, first making the most important ships for each fleet and then tweaking them in subsequent releases. Not a single weapon is customised yet (I've dropped the Enola Gay due to major issues with getting it to work right, and besides it was lame anyway), and in the current release all ships have 200 AI range (except the Schwalbe and Schwalbe-U4, which have 300 IIRC). When (if) it's all done, I think the total amount of time spent on each ship will be somewhere in the hours range.

[Lizzie]

Ok well, also Kenny isn't as popular as he seems yet. He actually has to bump his threads to get that many posts and he updates them instead of posting whole fleet slumps like I do.
Not sure why my ships got so popular. Not that I complain, it's nice to be famous, I just wonder why my ships are so ..... likable.

Also the fact your ships are stock may be a reason why. Theres a kind of ..... hostility going on between us wankshipers and the stock-balanced ship people. That could have something to do with it too.

[Areze]

Strategia, on 22 Dec 2007, 12:20, said:

I'm not saying you don't have a right to create ships, and I'm not saying their presence offends me. They are beautiful ships, and it's obvious to anyone that you've spent a lot of time making them. My comment isn't directed at you, it's directed at all the others who make regular comments on your ships but apparently completely ignore everyone else's.

Agreed. We are ranting at the fantards mostly.

[Lizzie]

*Lighthearted joke*
Hey I like my fantards! They make good Shields to use against the tomatoes thrown at my ships by all the people who keep screaming their not stock-balanced!

[Areze]

Lizzie-DS, on 22 Dec 2007, 12:31, said:

*Lighthearted joke*
Hey I like my fantards! They make good Shields to use against the tomatoes thrown at my ships by all the people who keep screaming their not stock-balanced!

They make better carrion, sell them in to slavery and upgrade your ships' shielding with the money.

[Zancloufer]

Lizzie-DS, on 22 Dec 2007, 12:27, said:

Also the fact your ships are stock may be a reason why. Theres a kind of ..... hostility going on between us wankshipers and the stock-balanced ship people. That could have something to do with it too.

It doesn't make sense though that msot people are the Uber Wanker people >_>

IMHO two Balanced fleets is a ton harder to make than a pair of Wanker ships .

[Areze]

Zancloufer, on 22 Dec 2007, 12:44, said:

Lizzie-DS, on 22 Dec 2007, 12:27, said:

Also the fact your ships are stock may be a reason why. Theres a kind of ..... hostility going on between us wankshipers and the stock-balanced ship people. That could have something to do with it too.

It doesn't make sense though that msot people are the Uber Wanker people >_>

IMHO two Balanced fleets is a ton harder to make than a pair of Wanker ships .

Yeah. I could probably make an unbeatable ship right now. Use the Tempestia's hull, aegis 3/5ths of it, give it an obscene number of repeater tachyons for a lag-a-thon, then finish them off with OMGUBERPLAZMAMIZZLESOMGOMGOMGLOL.

At the least, the intelligent ones have a hull design that shows they know what the hell they are doing (sans Lizzy & Kenny).

[Strategia]

Lizzie-DS, on 22 Dec 2007, 18:27, said:

Not sure why my ships got so popular. Not that I complain, it's nice to be famous, I just wonder why my ships are so ..... likable.

They are big and menacing, and your use of colour is beautiful. Also, your fleets are really recognizable as belonging together. I think that's a big part of it.

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Also the fact your ships are stock may be a reason why. Theres a kind of ..... hostility going on between us wankshipers and the stock-balanced ship people. That could have something to do with it too.

Stock-balanced ships? My babies? How dare you Besides the fact that their HP is generally above stock, the weapons density is several times higher. On the stock ships, you can expect maybe one or two weapons per section, my ships generally have at least six, especially the larger ones. Plus, the Panzerjägers and Sturmgewehrs will basically rip anything and everything that gets in front of them apart.

OK, well, if they're well-microed canon ships may be able to exploit the ships' weaknesses but due to the comparatively immense amount of sections it's going to take a looooong while before a couple of Hestias take down a mid-level warship.

[Areze]

IT's really hard to decide which of mine are stock and what's not. The Segetsias maybe are a but above stuck due to the Aegis'd front.

[Areze]

Now that hopefully a few things have been straightened out, I'll post my pirate line.

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Piracy. Everyone knows about it. Some advocate and commit it. Others try to protect against it. A tiny bunch openly hunt those who commit it, but in vain. It will always be there. Never letting anyone space or sea rest. Now that the greatest frontier humanity has ever opened has come alive with their works, piracy follows. Ever vigilant. Every ready to plunder.

The following satellite pictures show vessels known to be used by a pirate group called the "Barbary Corsairs". They seem to have nothing in common with Nagaya's scavengers. These are more organized and are believed to have men in positions of power supplying them with ships and intelligence.
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PIRATE THETIS



Many ask how did the nimble Thetis fall in to pirate hands. The most commonly accepted answer is bribery. That may or may not be the truth, as the pirates will be the last ones telling. These vessels are used as scouts and forward patrols for the pirates, these are to be faced with caution.
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PIRATE PROTEUS



This once sleek and beautiful Proteus has been transformed into a beefier, stronger version of itself. These can be fighters, gunboats, any number of things, all of them dangerous. These are not to be engaged by merchants. Contact your nearest UTF post when one of these are spotted.
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PIRATE OENONE



These are only seen in the shadier systems or government controlled systems a far ways from the area of influence of major government systems. They are insanely powerful for their size and if one is seen by a civilian, they are to flee as soon as possible. DO NOT ENGAGE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE MILITARY PROTECTION.

[Strategia]

I like the way you modified the stock ships. Also, I assume the (lack of) mirroring on the Pirate Proteus is intentional?

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Here's a little Golden Eagle update. Small craft this time (though you wouldn't know it judging from the size of some of them ).



Mitchell - Medium bomber



Flying Fortress - Heavy bomber



XB-15 - Outdated heavy bomber



Liberator - Medium/heavy bomber



Superfortress - Heavy bomber



Peacemaker - Very heavy bomber



Thunderbolt - Aging fighter-bomber



Mustang - Fighter
Twin Mustang - Heavy Fighter

[Zancloufer]

I like them, Fast, Good firepower, fair sized, but weak Health, and lacking Maneuverability, like real planes.

EDIT: In the future use .png, better quality.

Edited by Zancloufer, 23 December 2007 - 01:35.

[Areze]

Nice, I like the Twin Mustang. Also the Proteus is pretty symmetrical, my mouse was in the way.

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PIRATE HESTIA



This frigate is used by the Barbary Corsairs (They're the only ones capable of getting one) as full out assault craft. These are primarily used by the Corsairs to combat naval forces of the UTF and other authorities. Ever rarely to they actually attack merchants, as they would have to get too close to authorities.

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PIRATE MORIA



These serve as mobile outposts for the Barbary Corsairs. They refuel here and move out on their plunderings from here, and the Morias never have gone to plunder ships themselves, as they would get attacked by the UTF with extreme prejudice. But they are still formidable keels.
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PIRATE CHARYBDIS



These are quite literally the bases for pirate operations. Rarely, if ever, has a person that wasn't with the Corsairs ever seen one of these. They are tenacious and capable of defending themselves. Pirates eat, sleep and build ships here, the Corsairs hardly ever build actual stations, as they prefer being on the move constantly, making it extra hard to weed them out.

Edited by Areze, 23 December 2007 - 02:08.

[Mathias]

I like the straightforward, smooth and aeroplane-like design on your Golden Eagles. And the very unconventional-looking craft in the lower right on the last picture is intriguing.

[Zancloufer]

@Areze, perhaps the pirates could have a bigger based of operations?