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[Chyros]

tskasa1, on 15 May 2008, 23:29, said:

What about putting some funding into learning how to produce Ozone (not normal oxygen, just Ozone oxygen) and release it in moderation into the air.

Dauth, on 15 May 2008, 23:55, said:

Ozone at ground level is a pollutant, getting a significant amount to the right altitude would cost a fortune and probably do a lot of damage in the process

True, also it would probably be reduced to oxygen before it reaches the atmosphere anyway since ozone is unstable; it falls apart under high temperatures and in contact with metals. So you can't even synthesize it very well.

Dauth, on 16 May 2008, 10:12, said:

I know the problems, that's why I started the thread, I was just wondering if anyone had come up with decent solutions.

As far as there is a problem, the only solution would be to, of course, reduce the amount of greenhouse gases. Which requires the use of cleaner fuels. So solar power and/combined with hydrogen fuels would really be the only solutions as far as I can see, it's just that simple AFAIK. That is, if the oil magnates ever get sloppy enough to allow this to happen.

[Zero]

I never said release it from the ground, if one were to do so, he/she would release it high up in the atmosphere.

[Chyros]

tskasa1, on 16 May 2008, 17:52, said:

I never said release it from the ground, if one were to do so, he/she would release it high up in the atmosphere.

You'd need to build a factory in the heavens then .

Besides, the ozone layer regenerates itself, so why bother. In addition, ozone just protects us from radiation, it doesn't prevent or combat global warming.

[The Wandering Jew]

Chyros, on 16 May 2008, 23:05, said:

tskasa1, on 15 May 2008, 23:29, said:

What about putting some funding into learning how to produce Ozone (not normal oxygen, just Ozone oxygen) and release it in moderation into the air.

Dauth, on 15 May 2008, 23:55, said:

Ozone at ground level is a pollutant, getting a significant amount to the right altitude would cost a fortune and probably do a lot of damage in the process

True, also it would probably be reduced to oxygen before it reaches the atmosphere anyway since ozone is unstable; it falls apart under high temperatures and in contact with metals. So you can't even synthesize it very well.

Dauth, on 16 May 2008, 10:12, said:

I know the problems, that's why I started the thread, I was just wondering if anyone had come up with decent solutions.

As far as there is a problem, the only solution would be to, of course, reduce the amount of greenhouse gases. Which requires the use of cleaner fuels. So solar power and/combined with hydrogen fuels would really be the only solutions as far as I can see, it's just that simple AFAIK. That is, if the oil magnates ever get sloppy enough to allow this to happen.

I do not want to rain on your subject, but unfortunately, many oil companies don't. They are always aware. I do not exactly know whether they have direct influence on alternative sources or not. It makes me doubtful when an oil company promotes "clean and green". So very few live up to that motto.

Why don't we just terraform Mars? :rotfll:

[Zero]

dude, you don't need a factory, we invented something called planes back in the early 1900s, you know, they can fly and whatnot. And besides, ozone would help stop global warming, because it is what keeps a lot of the sun's heat+ radiation away from Earth. So even if we had a lot of Carbon Dioxide up there, we could counter it with Ozone, although whatever gets through would cause hell. Also, ozone does regenerate itself, but is is slow and could take decades, instead of a year or two.

Edited by tskasa1, 19 May 2008 - 12:25.

[Chyros]

tskasa1, on 19 May 2008, 14:24, said:

And besides, ozone would help stop global warming, because it is what keeps a lot of the sun's heat+ radiation away from Earth. So even if we had a lot of Carbon Dioxide up there, we could counter it with Ozone, although whatever gets through would cause hell.

Apologies, but I don't think you know what ozone really is or what it does, because that doesn't make sense .

Ozone (O³) is split into molecular oxygen (the well-known O²) and atomic oxygen when UV radiation is shone upon it, essentially is uses up UV and thus it protects us from it. Atomic oxygen reacts with either another oxygen atom to form molecular oxygen, or with molecular oxygen to form ozone (atomic oxygen is extremely reactive and the very reason you take vitamins). In the last reaction, ozone is regenerated. Ozone has nothing to do with absorbing heat or greenhouse gases (fun fact: in fact it converts UV radiation into heat via the reaction I described).

[Kaido]

Well, There was a show one day on tv and there they sayd that A Car Makes 2 Tons Of Co2 Per year, But A family Can Make 40 tons of Co2 :O

[Dauth]

And yet not many of the last few posts have given a viable solution to global warming. I will be energy efficient to save money, which I will the spend on a flight to the USA chucking out tons of gases .

[Kaido]

[Dauth]

Red circles = problem points

I will travel where I wish, all the cost jumping does it ground poor people who can't afford the extra money. I for one don't intend to be poor. It will also grind half of the planet to a halt.

Hybrid cars? Wheres the electricity from? How much CO2 to make the second engine? How much pollutants for the battery?

Green Power? NOT VIABLE, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH GREEN POWER FOR THE BASELINE OF THE UK

Frozen Food is cheap! Want to have people starve to death? I don't care if greenies do, but I will eat what I can afford as a student.

Cancel Junk mail? Yes because I can be bothered to do that! Not gonna happen, it gets chucked in the recycle bin and carried to Sainsbury's.

No More than 2 children? Human race like all species wants to expand in number, invasion of rights much? Seriously the day this is forced on me I will go on a killing spree until I am killed, because at that point the enforcers are no longer human!

Meat is a part of human diet, and I like it, so no I am not giving it up. How about you slaughter every holy bullock in India? Thought not, but since I am just an atheist consumer I have no extraneous rights.

I look forward to my grave if this is the future.

Edit: Forgot the damn C02 credits. This is downright ludicrous, do you know who sells them? Well they aint planting trees my lad, no they just own a chunk of forest and the trees do what trees do, adsorb carbon. Seriously if I owned a copse of trees I could open up shop, assuming average lifespan of a tree etc.

Every single one of these grinds the poor into the ground while the rich get richer. Since I damn well intend to be rich I don't give a monkeys. However someone who is young and holds aspirations about better worlds. Might just want to think things through first.

Edited by Dauth, 19 May 2008 - 17:01.

[Dr. Strangelove]

1: Flying is just FAR too useful to stop doing.

2: Electric cars just aren't efficient, and the electricity comes from fossil fuels anyway.

3: Most people who are against Global Warming are also Commies(to put it bluntly). That, and I have no right to force anyone to stop polluting.

4: Most of the people who don't already know about Global Warming wouldn't be able to do much about it anyway. If they don't know what it is but do have the power to do something about it they would probably do something stupid with the information.

5: Energy audits are a violation of Man's Rights.

6: Green power isn't efficient.

7: Public transportation sucks, 'nuff said.

8: MEAT IS TASTY!

9: Frozen food is much cheaper than fresh food.

10: Clotheslines often leave you with wet clothes. And this comes from someone who lives in a vertible desert.

11: Excuse me for being old-fashioned, but I WANT a large amount of progeny.

12: Farmer's markets don't have food that is genetically modified.

Edited by Dr. Strangelove, 19 May 2008 - 23:58.

[Sharpnessism]

tskasa1, on 19 May 2008, 8:24, said:

dude, you don't need a factory, we invented something called planes back in the early 1900s, you know, they can fly and whatnot. And besides, ozone would help stop global warming, because it is what keeps a lot of the sun's heat+ radiation away from Earth. So even if we had a lot of Carbon Dioxide up there, we could counter it with Ozone, although whatever gets through would cause hell. Also, ozone does regenerate itself, but is is slow and could take decades, instead of a year or two.

What the hell are you going to do? Make Ozone and put it in a box and fly it up there?

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1: Flying is just FAR too useful to stop doing.

Just fly less? Plan vacations that don't involve flying for a while.

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3: Most people who are against Global Warming are also Commies(to put it bluntly). That, and I have no right to force anyone to stop polluting.

Ok...people against global warming are communists...

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7: Public transportation sucks, 'nuff said.

Why?

Edited by Sharpnessism, 20 May 2008 - 00:35.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Sharpnessism, on 20 May 2008, 0:32, said:

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1: Flying is just FAR too useful to stop doing.

Just fly less? Plan vacations that don't involve flying for a while.

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3: Most people who are against Global Warming are also Commies(to put it bluntly). That, and I have no right to force anyone to stop polluting.

Ok...people against global warming are communists...

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7: Public transportation sucks, 'nuff said.

Why?

Its not my fault that the best Pancakes, Sausages, Fish, Crab, Milk, Kimchi, Sushi, Mexican Food, Hot dogs, and Fishing in the world all happen to be located on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

Besides that, Flying is the only efficient method of long-distance passenger travel.

Not all people against Global Warming(lol I typed 'Warmining') are Commies, but most of them are affiliated with the Democratic party, and the Democratic party is generally supportive of more Socialistic measures. There are the few people who do break party standards, but they have little chance of winning.

That said, any sort of political action against Global Warming is inherently Communistic, since it inherently includes the notion that its the Government's job to stop Global Warming in the first place.

Public transportation sucks because its funded with tax dollars.

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I'm worried that this thread may be becoming a mite too political, so tried to focus on the Science aspect of it.

[Flechette?]

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No More than 2 children? Human race like all species wants to expand in number, invasion of rights much? Seriously the day this is forced on me I will go on a killing spree until I am killed, because at that point the enforcers are no longer human!

think of it this way: Earth can't sustain us, humans at the current time and since we're always expanding, wasting and using it's only going to get worse. It's not going to be a immediate effect but it means your descendants are going to suffer because you couldn't give a damn. It's a case of that no one else is doing this and you're a lemming, and will jump off a cliff because everyone else is. We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't, we're screwed ourselves far into the future. Complacency and affluenza is pretty much inbuilt into possibly every single human being who lives in a developed country. Degrees differ. It's only when the shouting starts, when things go FUBAR that people suddenly go goody two shoes.

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What the hell are you going to do? Make Ozone and put it in a box and fly it up there?

The most ironic part is everyone of us could've done our part by not making this topic at all, unless you make your own power.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Flechette, on 20 May 2008, 6:41, said:

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No More than 2 children? Human race like all species wants to expand in number, invasion of rights much? Seriously the day this is forced on me I will go on a killing spree until I am killed, because at that point the enforcers are no longer human!

think of it this way: Earth can't sustain us, humans at the current time and since we're always expanding, wasting and using it's only going to get worse. It's not going to be a immediate effect but it means your descendants are going to suffer because you couldn't give a damn. It's a case of that no one else is doing this and you're a lemming, and will jump off a cliff because everyone else is. We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't, we're screwed ourselves far into the future. Complacency and affluenza is pretty much inbuilt into possibly every single human being who lives in a developed country. Degrees differ. It's only when the shouting starts, when things go FUBAR that people suddenly go goody two shoes.

That's a myth. The Earth has plenty of resources to continue the Human Race.

[Flechette?]

While maintaining the balance the areas not devastated by human life? Sure, you can sustain yourself by cutting down the amazon forest, killing off species who occupy it and converting it to farmland ect, but it's shooting yourself in the foot except you don't know when it's going to go off and you might suffocate yourself before it does. With that mindset, humans will suck earth dry and colonize other planets, rinse and repeat.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yes, we should go back to living in caves, eating raw meat and dying young. Who knows what will happen if we play with fire!?

[Crazykenny]

Hmm here's my opinion on the matter:

I think we should spend allot more time and effort into cleaner powersources such as fusion, or other low/none emission sources. Once we have to ability to make a efficient factory size source of them we should start working to decrease there size, so they can be used for other things aswell (cars, planes, etc)

I think some more research needs to be done in cloning and genetic research. This way we can make certain plantlife immune to weathereffects (Probably...), so that plants may grow everywhere and that no harvests will fail. That way we dont have to rely on what the earth gives us, and we will replace the stuff we have taken.

Planting more tree's. (You can never have enough of those oxygen generators)

Making the people aware of global warming and its consequences (I dont think its serious enough now)

Educate people on how to preserve water and electricity and learn them how to use it to a more efficient extent.

Vote for Crazykenny as president!

[The Wandering Jew]

Crazykenny, on 20 May 2008, 17:31, said:

Hmm here's my opinion on the matter:

I think we should spend allot more time and effort into cleaner powersources such as fusion, or other low/none emission sources. Once we have to ability to make a efficient factory size source of them we should start working to decrease there size, so they can be used for other things aswell (cars, planes, etc)

I think some more research needs to be done in cloning and genetic research. This way we can make certain plantlife immune to weathereffects (Probably...), so that plants may grow everywhere and that no harvests will fail. That way we dont have to rely on what the earth gives us, and we will replace the stuff we have taken.

Planting more tree's. (You can never have enough of those oxygen generators)

Making the people aware of global warming and its consequences (I dont think its serious enough now)

Educate people on how to preserve water and electricity and learn them how to use it to a more efficient extent.

Vote for Crazykenny as president!

Proper knowledge, coupled with proper resource management will do.

Misinformation and sentiments is a recipe for disaster.

@Crazykenny:
I'm not going to vote for you as president of any country! Bwahahahah!

[Dauth]

No one going to respond to me?

Can have too much oxygen, because you get forest fires.

This is the problem, no one ever thinks things through!

[Kaido]

What do u want do to then Dauth, Froze the trees so that 95% of the sunshine is going back And that pic i took from google

[Dauth]

As in read my responses to the picture, I am pro tree, I like trees they look nice. I just really hate it when people fail to think through their ideas, and the idea that oxygen is good, well I for one don't want to be incinerated.

[Crazykenny]

To much oxygen sets things on fire? Care to eleborate, cuz I sure as hell didnt know that

[Chyros]

Dauth, on 20 May 2008, 18:18, said:

As in read my responses to the picture, I am pro tree, I like trees they look nice. I just really hate it when people fail to think through their ideas, and the idea that oxygen is good, well I for one don't want to be incinerated.

Exactly!

Besides, you don't want to know what terrible stuff oxygen can do beside incinerate stuff. In fact, it's quite unbelievable we as a lifeform are able to survive in a stuff as reactive as oxygen, let alone that we direly need it.

[Dauth]

Kenny, more oxygen in the atmosphere means that at any given time there are more O2 atoms on the surface, tinder that previously could not ignite now can and you get more forest fires, which in turn reduces the O2 levels while killing lots of stuff, not to mention the pollution (to which everyone is opposed).

There are theories that O2 is what causes aging, (while I don't necessarily subscribe to these) imagine a 5x shorter lifespan in a pure O2 atmosphere?