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[Jazzie Spurs]

FRY ZE ENEMY A-135 SYS!

[Kamikazi]

"Sir, message from Metalic, enemy is preparing forces in East Germany"

"Aah, finally some action again. Ok guys, lets get prepared, refuel the tanks and load your guns! If they come to here we will show them hell!"

[Suvorov]

Comrades. I have made it back to one of our secret airbases in Africa. Unfortunately, only about 20 men made it with me. We were ambushed by ECA heavy armour. We didn't stand a chance. I will try to get back to Germany.

-Suvorov

[Jazzie Spurs]

My troops are almost ready, we need more tanks.

[Crazykenny]

"Solar Blast condensators fully charged"

*Control Room lights green*

"Ready to fire, all we need are coordinates"

[V.Metalic]

Crazykenny, on 30 Aug 2008, 16:42, said:

"Solar Blast condensators fully charged"

*Control Room lights green*

"Ready to fire, all we need are coordinates"

*Transfering coordinates of tank guard division with many Kodiaks, Sentinels and Mstas*

Edited by Volen Metalic, 30 August 2008 - 18:16.

[Brad]

Sniper support reporting for duty!

[Jazzie Spurs]

Side?

[Brad]

i cant find a ECA entry level thing

[Jazzie Spurs]

You're with the ECA 33th Tank Division.

[Crazykenny]

*fires Solar Blast*

Russian tank squadron destroyed!

[Admiral FCS]

*Calls all fixed-wing aircraft back to base*



*Briefing starts*
Boys, we have a hard nut to crack now.

Russians have called in most of their available AAA from Germany, Poland and Ukranine in order to cover their tank and infantry's ass, so we got to sneak in below radar altitude, so your altitude restriction is 2000m above the ground. Watch out for those big damn radars, eliminate them as fast as possible.

On the Operation Free Sky, no targeting on ground vehicles, only AAAs and Radars, and any unreported engagement will give away your chance for a medal, maybe even your life to Russians. Hold fire, until passive radar locked on to AAAs/Radars.

Good luck gentlemen.
*Briefing Ends*

*Refuelling aircraft*



*Mechanics installing latest anti-radar missile*

[V.Metalic]

Hey guys, lets start a BIG and LONG battle like Battle of Warsaw, because if it will be very big, there is chance that the map of the battle will be in RotR.

I think we could create a Battle of Amsterdam (correct?), but vote by your thinking.

[Rayburn]

A city-map with lots of channels and bridges, eh? Sounds good.

[V.Metalic]

Rayburn, on 1 Sep 2008, 16:47, said:

A city-map with lots of channels and bridges, eh? Sounds good.

Sure. As much channels, bridges, streets and buildings it have, it is much better. There could be many resource ports for great money cash-> many units and buildings = GREAT FIGHT OF RUSSIA AND ECA!!!!!!!!

Edited by Volen Metalic, 01 September 2008 - 16:14.

[Jazzie Spurs]

Me, creating such maps?
Maybe after HS Exams

[CommanderJB]

Volen Metalic, on 30 Aug 2008, 21:13, said:

CommanderJB: So you say that only thing that can see stealth fighters dont see them? You are strange, are you ok? Is your psychical condition ok?

VERA is a passive sensor. What it does is pick up pulse transmissions from aircraft and triangulate the movement of their source to fix positions of aircraft. If an aircraft is not transmitting, there is nothing for VERA to pick up. So it doesn't appear. It's that simple. For a full explanation on what exactly VERA is, go here, but the gist of the page is:

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Some reports in the media refer to VERA, and its predecessors, as "counter-stealth radars". This is untrue and probably stems from an ambitious Czech marketing campaign from the early 1990s. As the technology relies upon the detection of high-power pulsed emissions from the target it would be unable to detect any form of stealth target, unless that target was emitting. Stealth targets are designed to not transmit any form of high-power signal when in battle. The presence of such system on the battlefield, however, does deny the enemy the ability to use their other radar and ECM systems without being detected.

Sergeant Major J. Kid, on 30 Aug 2008, 22:04, said:

FRY ZE ENEMY A-135 SYS!

The A-135 ABM system is in Moscow. Actually to be more accurate it's all around Moscow as it comprises about six to ten different Pechora radar sites, missile launch facilities, tracking stations, command centres and the like, and the radar network extends across Siberia and down into central Asia with the site at Sary Shagan, so even if you focused a Solar Blast on it there's virtually no way you'd knock out the system. Plus you're not allowed to attack inside Russia.

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On the Operation Free Sky, no targeting on ground vehicles, only AAAs and Radars, and any unreported engagement will give away your chance for a medal, maybe even your life to Russians. Hold fire, until passive radar locked on to AAAs/Radars.

Well, there's no such thing as a 'passive radar'; I suspect you mean a radar warning reciever, right? There are such things as non-radar tracking modes, you know...
Comrade T-34, your Pantsyr S1s and any Tunguskas should be perfect for this job with their integrated missiles, guns, optical tracking, and infra-red sights. Be careful with your radars - ARMs are speedy, and even if we have mastered their design it doesn't mean we're invulnerable to them. Orders to all IADS units - use your radars on maximum power, and use our S-300s to engage the enemy aircraft from maximum range so that we might score a few kills before they're in position to launch, but as soon as you detect any incoming contacts deactivate your radars completely, even if they're busy guiding a flight of missiles at the time. Use IR-homing weapons as much as possible and be prepared for major attacks - spread out the sites to minimise damage, and guard your radars with your lives. We'll see their CAS assets nothing but burning metal yet...

Edited by CommanderJB, 02 September 2008 - 04:21.

[Admiral FCS]

Not a radar warning receiver, but rather something similar to passive sonar on submarines. Also, if ROTR is 20 years after ZH, I do believe something like that could be possible.

*A-10 Squadron takes off*

*A-10 Squadron decends to 100 metre off ground, avoiding AAA and receiving signals from radars*

[CommanderJB]

As a passive sonar is simply a microphone that listens for sound waves from other sources of objects in the water, and cannot 'see' anything that is quiet, a passive radar can only 'listen' for radio waves, and cannot find anything that isn't emitting radio waves. Hence an RWR; something that simply tells you where enemy radars or to an extent communications sets are (approximately), nothing more, nothing less.

[V.Metalic]

CommanderJB, on 2 Sep 2008, 5:18, said:

As a passive sonar is simply a microphone that listens for sound waves from other sources of objects in the water, and cannot 'see' anything that is quiet, a passive radar can only 'listen' for radio waves, and cannot find anything that isn't emitting radio waves. Hence an RWR; something that simply tells you where enemy radars or to an extent communications sets are (approximately), nothing more, nothing less.

As FCS said. It is 20 years after ZH, Czechs could create something that can 'find' stealth objects. Because you dont know, they could create something that find electronic activity in the air. And now, say me, how you will block this? Deactivate all systems in aircrafts? If yes, "Bye bye pilots."

[CommanderJB]

Might I be clear here. Steath aircraft are by their very nature designed so as to produce the absolute minimum of emissions. Thus anything which relys upon detection of emissions, i.e. a passive sensor, is not going to work on a stealth design unless and only unless there is a flaw in the design of the object or it is being used improperly. They are also designed to be as difficult to detect as possible even if something is actively looking for them, so if it's impossible for a high-powered long-range tracking radar to find an entire plane until it's virtually on top of it, how do you think a passive detector will fare?

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As FCS said. It is 20 years after ZH, Czechs could create something that can 'find' stealth objects. Because you dont know, they could create something that find electronic activity in the air. And now, say me, how you will block this? Deactivate all systems in aircrafts? If yes, "Bye bye pilots."

Oh, so it finds electrical activity in the air? Like, I don't know, all that lightning? Have you noticed that the air is absolutely alive with anywhere between thousands and thousands of millions of volts of electrical activity at any given time - just a shade more than the hundreds running through an aircraft's systems? And why the hell would only the Czech Republic and no-one else have it? Non-real military designs okay. Science fiction, not so good for this thread. Please, I'll argue this with you in Warfare Discussions - but is it not a little reasonable to keep at least within the technological scope of the mod even if the equipment itself is occasionally not strictly true?

Edited by CommanderJB, 03 September 2008 - 03:36.

[V.Metalic]

CommanderJB, on 3 Sep 2008, 4:33, said:

Oh, so it finds electrical activity in the air? Like, I don't know, all that lightning? Have you noticed that the air is absolutely alive with anywhere between thousands and thousands of millions of volts of electrical activity at any given time - just a shade more than the hundreds running through an aircraft's systems? And why the hell would only the Czech Republic and no-one else have it? Non-real military designs okay. Science fiction, not so good for this thread. Please, I'll argue this with you in Warfare Discussions - but is it not a little reasonable to keep at least within the technological scope of the mod even if the equipment itself is occasionally not strictly true?

This talks the best. You dont use sci-fi technology, only if is in game, but you use existing units and weapons, which will probably dont be in mod.

U say thousands of millions of volts? Who cares about that. If you will see a large moce of electrocity and track it a moment, you will be surely certain that are aircrafts.

Why they dont give it to anyone else? Because we want had something, with what we will be important. Wehen we will give it to our allies, it will be same like with contact lenses. I dont know if you know that, but this, what use millions people, is Czech product. Thats reason why we dont want gave USA out TAMARA or VERA. But as I know you, u will quote about this a half of book and dont simply say it in several simple sentences.

Edited by Volen Metalic, 03 September 2008 - 04:06.

[CommanderJB]

The U.S. military has bought VERA.

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U say thousands of millions of volts? Who cares about that. If you will see a large moce of electrocity and track it a moment, you will be surely certain that are aircrafts.

What I'm saying is that aircraft don't emit large amounts of electricity, and even if they did there is no bloody way you'd see the field against the massively greater ones in the air. It'd be equivalent to attempting to listen to someone whispering across the room in the middle of a rock concert.
Also, I'm not going to respond to any problems you might have with the way I write things unless you outline them to me in a different arena. This thread is not the place.

And if you honestly think I'm still wrong about VERA, like I said, I'll engage in a lengthy discussion with no limits on it in the Warfare Discussions forum. But not any more here. And for the last time, the only non-mod units I use are non-combat.


Oh, for god's sakes. Let's just forget the whole thing. Like I said, going back to events a page or two ago that started all this, you might have picked up the bombers, but they still completed their missions so it doesn't make one single bit of difference either way. Your fighters can't see my AAA unless either my AAA is using their radars or your fighters are using theirs. My AAA can't see your fighters unless your fighters are using their radars or my AAA are using theirs. If there is no radar, we cannot see each other until we're virtually side-by-side. Are we agreed?

Edited by CommanderJB, 03 September 2008 - 05:57.

[Ghostrider]

*Incoming Message*

Attention ECA naval forces:

This is Captain Ghostrider, in command of a small fleet of freighters, en route to France. Requesting clearance to pass through ECA naval defenses and make port at Marseilles. I have specific orders NOT to make my cargo known to anyone... most of the crew have little idea themselves what we are carrying. Current freighters in transit are the American Victory, the Edgar B. Spear, the Edwin H. Gott, the Walter J. McCarthy, and the American Century. Whereabouts of Russian Vessels is unknown, but we would appreciate it if we were cleared ASAP. Over and out.

*End Message*

[DerKrieger]

I can offer escorts and anti-ballistic missile services to the US freighters as they travel to the docking facility. Repairs on the carrier are almost complete, we should be able to launch aircraft soon.