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[Jazzie Spurs]

Rayburn, on 1 Aug 2008, 18:08, said:

RotR-Russians != commies

I know, but it's the quote of always

[CommanderJB]

Volen Metalic, on 2 Aug 2008, 2:40, said:

PAK FA are interceptors, not attackers so they cant attack on Gepards. And only what was sended on armoured batalion were Hinds, and Gepards are specializesed on them, simple.

[Out-of-universe]PAK FA stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi (Перспективный авиационный комплекс фронтовой авиации in Russian) which roughly means Advanced Tactical Frontline Fighter. Note 'tactical'. The PAK FA is fully as capable of dropping bombs and firing AGMs as any other fighter, including the Raptor, and more capable than most. Just because they're stealthed and carry air-to-air missiles doesn't mean they can only use those; I imagine that RotR PAK FAs will reflect this just as much as Generals Raptors do. So they're fully capable of attacking Gepards, but I never said they did; merely that the Gepards were highly unsuitable for attacking PAK FAs thanks to their very short range.
Also, why do you think I was trying to get a status report from the Hinds and couldn't? Because... most of them had been shot down by the Gepards, just like you said.

Look, I will say this; No side save the (for the purposes of this roleplay) non-existent China should possess nukes in the RotR timeline, as they upset the balance of this thread and really screw with all the defenders' possibilities. I will now say to my side (being a specialised general where these are my only offensive weapons and I thus control the majority of them) that last batch of Topol-Ms was the last one for at least another couple of pages, because they're basically a one-shot solve-all because the ECA are effectively defenceless against them.
So, can I ask that people don't say 'you can't do that!' all the time? Because the end result is that we spend most of our time arguing like this rather than roleplaying, and it just gets annoying.

And because I totally agree with the ECA people on the 'you can only defend' thing, I'll quote this from the opening post:

Comr4de, on 4 Jun 2008, 10:55, said:

Quote

ECA:
* You are Defending Not attacking, So no going into Russian Boaders. Only Until the a ROTR Update says so.

As you can see, it only applies to Russia. So they can certainly attack our positions in Europe, including airfields etc. They may even want to try an amphibious landing in Italy on their last held position or something - the rules say nothing to deny that.
[/Out-of-universe]

Signals monitoring indicates a large formation of American Raptor aircraft have attacked our armoured reinforcements heading through Nijmegen. Significant casualties detected, but the majority of the force is still intact. Comrades, we need to mobilise these reinforcements quickly! We may have destroyed most of their artillery fortifications in the area but there are still significant numbers of light infantry holed up in the surrounding buildings. We'll need to act fast in order to outflank and cut off the remaining ECA ground forces - and make sure we have an Integrated Air Defence System up and running fast! Those Raptors will be back soon, and they seem to be launching helicopters.
I would also suggest that we move MPT-4As into Nijmegen to see if we can salvage anything from the mess those fighters created.
Sergeant First Class CommanderJB out.

[Admiral FCS]

Commander Kamikazi, could you please do me a favour to rescue our downed pilot Dave H Harrison?

"Mechanic: Rearm and Refuel Complete!"
*Mounts A-10*
*Squadron takes off*
*Gets infro from AWACS*

Also @ Centric: It's Anti-Ship missile, not Trade-Embargo missile

*Send Emergency Transmission to the Aircraft Carrier*

Edited by General FCS, 02 August 2008 - 01:31.

[V.Metalic]

Centric: You are commander of which unit?

CommanderJB: Mos of time we discuss because especialy you doing mistaces. For example when you will be USA-player and attack on GLA with Nighthawks. You will say something like this:
"Nighthawks attack on enemy aviation for gaining air superiority for bombarding enemy positions."
You simply think that Russian units could do everything. PAK FA are designated only for intercepting enemy aircrafts. Sure, they could attack on ground units, but when they will be in range of GEpard, say good bye to them.

[CommanderJB]

[Off-topic]Okay. Let me put it to you this way. It has been confirmed that the PAK FA is to be General Alexandyr's replacement for the Su-47 Berkut. It has also been confirmed that the Berkut can fire at ground and air targets. Also the SWR team has a strong dislike for purely interceptor aircraft as they serve no purpose vs. GLA. Thus I can tell you with absolute certainty that the PAK FA, in the mod, will be able to engage both air and ground targets based on all available information from the team.

And I am the one who is making the most mistakes and prompting the most discussion? Really? Care to explain how you think this is the case? I apologise for the barb here, but I at least contribute productively to the progress of the story and roleplay.

I think I may have upset you given that I have found a few things you have had to say confusing, and vice versa. As a result we have spent a lot of time trying to disprove the other's view of the thread. To attempt to show you what my priorities for this thread are, my views on subjects of contention are these:

(1) The Mod, This Thread and Mod Leaders: The thread describes a scenario which is that of the mod. So any mod-specific units take precedence over any others, and the mod leaders word is absolute, even when it comes to story - if they say something, that's that, and it can't be undone by saying it's wrong or their facts were mistaken or my units were somewhere else etc.

(2) Non-Mod Units: Given the fact that there are only a limited number of things to play around with for ECA & USA in particular, IMO these should be allowed in as long as they do not have a direct effect on the conflict; hence my use of spy satellites (which are the ONLY 'non-mod' units I have used in this thread; all the others merely explain the presence of this Russian orbital recon without affecting the thread at all). However many people on ALL sides have now introduced non-mod combat units (A-47 drones and La-125 Blockers, I'm looking at you), which is IMO not a good idea, but regardless we now have to deal with it unless one of the leaders states these are out of order, which so far they have not.

(3) Events, Their Legitimacy and My Opinions: A couple of things happen with story events. The first is when someone says 'Missiles fired at X!' and the next says 'Missiles missed, ha ha!'. This is a problem because it means that anyone can basically protect themselves from any harm by twisting another person's actions, so I really think this should be avoided at all costs; but equally it's not technically impossible so I won't challenge these. What I will challenge is the second example; when someone says something which goes against what has already been stated in the thread. For example, if someone makes a claim about destroying something without realising that it had already been said that the thing in question is nowhere near what the person uses to destroy it, or when someone suddenly says 'I have a tank battalion here which I'm killing your stuff with' when they hadn't said they had one previously. I mean, give yourself units by all means, but I think it's completely daft to be able to magic counters into existence in the middle of a battle, so I'll challenge situations like this if they arise.

(4) Unit Capabilities: I will challenge any obviously incorrect beliefs about capabilities, such as the PAK FA issue. I do not contest that the Gepards can down them, even though I personally don't think they ought to be able to as they're short-ranged point-defence units which are fifty years old at the time of this mod and not even official; but the PAK FAs were never anywhere near the Gepards in the first place. The only thing that came into contact with the Gepards were the Hinds, which were, as you say, shot down.

Let me make this very clear. I do not want to argue with you and do not want to take this any further; let us agree to disagree if you have problems with the way I do things, please. I will only discuss things when they fall into the above categories.
[/Off-topic, for the last time for a while, I promise.]

GLONASS active - tracking - tracking - Kh-15 missiles have hit and severely damaged a unit of ECA AAA vehicles near Nijmegen. The gap is open, recommend immediate armoured assault supported by air units! We need to smash this resistance and move on, fast!
3M-54 Klub AShMs vectoring in on American aircraft carriers, estimated time until impact, thirty minutes. Be advised, AEGIS systems operational aboard some ships in this task group.

Edited by CommanderJB, 03 August 2008 - 05:20.

[DerKrieger]

HeartBreak1, on 1 Aug 2008, 11:56, said:

You wanna play hard? OKAY! *Aims at Buratinos* Say hello to mi little friend! *Fires at Burritos*
The one who guess from where that quote came wins a cookie.

Scarface.

Centric, on 2 Aug 2008, 2:24, said:

*launches Anti Shipping missiles at carriers* New Target *Fires at gepards*

Intercepting missiles- missiles downed by AEGIS point defense systems. We'll have to step up CAP to prevent enemy bombers from getting into missile firing range.

Edited by DerKrieger, 06 August 2008 - 17:16.

[Admiral FCS]

*Inflight mission briefing complete*
*Refuel in midair*
*Dives toward advancing Russian formation*
*Fires missile and Vulcan*
*Climb, then do it again*
*Missiles exhausted*'
*Return to base*

[Nem]

Don't do this Centric.

[Kamikazi]

General FCS, on 2 Aug 2008, 3:28, said:

Commander Kamikazi, could you please do me a favour to rescue our downed pilot Dave H Harrison?

"A rescue chopper is on its way! We will drop him off at the London Airbase when he is rescued!"

"What the situation on the battlefield now?"

[V.Metalic]

CommanderJB: In some ways we are with some thinks together (I hope you understand, I dont know how say that I had same thinking like you), but in some we are opposite.

I only want to stay in way of the RotR, but for now there must be some non-mod units as u said, because RotR team only concentrate on showing all Russian weapons.

You said that Gepards are in RotR 50 years old right? And what about Topols, Tunguskas or Buratinos. They are old about twenty years right? And PAK FAs are also old like this, or only take 5 years out.

One of the greatest bads of the RotR Team is that they leave this RP for players. As I know, RPs need someone who command it from independent side of the conflict. On one Czech chat there was several RPs that i played and every of them had this guy, that was called PJ (Pán Jeskyně= in English LoC- Lord of Cave) that control RP and control if players respect rules and sometimes said what happends and players said how act. This Rp ned someone like that.

And about abbilities, with this noone can control it if we dont know true abbilities of RotR units.

[Admiral FCS]

Centric, on 6 Aug 2008, 3:12, said:

Fucks general FHSCACS in the asshole with raptor jesus while placing sub atomic radioactive mines all over western Europe. There made a classic generic spam forum post, can I now have my freedom ?

If I can ask, what did I do? The incoming Russian forces still have like 400 tanks, and my regiment only killed 100.

Commander Kamikazi, we wish your S&R Team best of luck, and get your artillery and chopper ready.

[Suvorov]

This is dead. You guys are to busy arguing with one another. Please, take the arguments elsewhere.

[Admiral FCS]

Suvorov, on 6 Aug 2008, 17:10, said:

This is dead. You guys are to busy arguing with one another. Please, take the arguments elsewhere.

[Offtopic] Well, it's mainly Volen Metalic and CommanderJB, but JB said he won't do this for a while, so uh, let's just calm Metalic down and take him back to the RP. [\Offtopic]

*Returned to base*

Damn, we lost 3 A-10 this time and 5 were damaged, looks like we need some time before we can strike again.

*Calls in mechanics*
*Planes will be repaired 5 replys later*

Also, we need the S&R Team rescue other 3 downed pilots, Commander Kamikazi, I can borrow some Manches for the operation.

[CommanderJB]

[Off-topic]

Volen Metalic, on 7 Aug 2008, 6:09, said:

CommanderJB: In some ways we are with some thinks together (I hope you understand, I dont know how say that I had same thinking like you), but in some we are opposite.

I only want to stay in way of the RotR, but for now there must be some non-mod units as u said, because RotR team only concentrate on showing all Russian weapons.

You said that Gepards are in RotR 50 years old right? And what about Topols, Tunguskas or Buratinos. They are old about twenty years right? And PAK FAs are also old like this, or only take 5 years out.

One of the greatest bads of the RotR Team is that they leave this RP for players. As I know, RPs need someone who command it from independent side of the conflict. On one Czech chat there was several RPs that i played and every of them had this guy, that was called PJ (Pán Jeskyně= in English LoC- Lord of Cave) that control RP and control if players respect rules and sometimes said what happends and players said how act. This Rp ned someone like that.

And about abbilities, with this noone can control it if we dont know true abbilities of RotR units.

I totally agree with everything you have just said. Thankyou very much for understanding, and I apologise for the argument earlier.
[/Off-topic]

Alert - enemy helicopters detected! They appear to be vectoring towards our POW camps in West Germany. Daring... and stupid. Ready all S-300 Gladiators in along the flight path and prepare to fire on my command...

Edited by CommanderJB, 07 August 2008 - 00:33.

[Kamikazi]

"Get all choppers back, he is in a POW camp. If we knew that we wouldnt have send some choppers into it"

"We need to prepare the choppers and artillery for something else!"

"Yes, sir! Mechanics are repairing the damaged copters, they will be ready any moment"

[V.Metalic]

FCS: I dont want to return, because I was dead (maybe I live, but I hide) until ECA and USA will had chance to full counter-attack. I hide in my homeland controled by Russian forces and noone know my true identity. They cant find me here.

JB: Here S300 are commonly known as "Grumble", but you are right, exist a version of it named Gladiator, but it dont look like like local S300.

[Admiral FCS]

*Repair continues*

1 more reply and my A-10 squadron will be ready again.

*Install Rocket Pod upgrade on Comanche*
*Request permission to upgrade to stealth Comanche*

Edited by General FCS, 07 August 2008 - 15:25.

[Kamikazi]

"Send in a SAS team to free the caputered pilot in the Russian POW camp! Dont get into trouble!"

"SAS team is on their way to free the pilot, we should here from them soon by radio, sir!"

[Admiral FCS]

*Counts*
5 replys now.

*Repair complete*
*Rearming*


*Rearming complete*
*Refuelling*

*Refulling complete*
*A-10s take off*

*Receives inflight mission briefing*

[V.Metalic]

General FCS, on 7 Aug 2008, 16:33, said:

*Receives inflight mission briefing*

Transmission from one ECA unit in Dutch:
We are under heavy fire of Russian MSTAs, Buratinos and Topols. Ivan also send on us a large tank squadron. We had Jagdmammuts so we could deal with them, but these rockets and shells stop us. Can someone help us and destroy them? We had all coordinates.

Edited by Volen Metalic, 07 August 2008 - 19:03.

[DerKrieger]

Volen Metalic, on 7 Aug 2008, 20:03, said:

General FCS, on 7 Aug 2008, 16:33, said:

*Receives inflight mission briefing*

Transmission from one ECA unit in Dutch:
We are under heavy fire of Russian MSTAs, Buratinos and Topols. Ivan also send on us a large tank squadron. We had Jagdmammuts so we could deal with them, but these rockets and shells stop us. Can someone help us and destroy them? We had all coordinates.

From USS Dwight D. Eisenhower:
"ECA forces- we can send strike aircraft to aid you. They will be there in a few minutes. Eisenhower out."

F/A-18F fighter-bombers fly in and take out the Russian artillery with Mavericks and Paveways/JDAMs.

"ECA forces-we need to rearm- another squadron should be coming in 2 minutes to help with the tanks."

[Jazzie Spurs]

Capture an Enemy Officer.
Also. What can we do

[DerKrieger]

*F-35Cs fly in and strike the Russian armored units advancing towards the Dutch fortifications, inflicting light-moderate casualties*