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[Eddy01741]

Okay, this is from me watching movies and playing video games and stuff like that. Why is sex so much worse than violence?

You can kill people in movies and still have it rated PG, that doesn't happen much anymore, but n evertheless, a movie about war and violence can get a rating of PG-13 pretty easily.

If there is even brief partial nudity, a movie is slapped with a nice big "R" automatically.

My question, why is sex so much worse than violence? Does this mean that having sex is worse than killing somebody else?

[Sgt. Rho]

It's because apparently the people that rate the game are either (anti-)experts or old fashioned people that go "ZOMG SEX, BAN BAN BAN BAN!!!!" on it. Heck, you are born nude, you get a shower nude, and sex is one of the most natural things in the world...

[E.V.E.]

I'd like to know that aswell.

Believe it or not, here in Germany it's the exact Opposite. Movies here wich contain Sexual Topics and all can be viewed even with 13, while Blood in Games get removed.

What the hell.

- E.V.E.

[Eddy01741]

It used to be different back in the day supposedly for america. In english class we watched romeo and juliet which was rated pg, and there was nudity.

[Whitey]

Make love, not war, anyone?

-Boidy

[Rayburn]

EVE beat me to it. In Germany, they make a huge fuss about everything related to violence and war but you can find crude sexual content all over the media, even before 12 o' clock and I do NOT mean 12 o' clock as in midnight. In my opinion, neither of the two should be censored. Despite the fact that violence, unlike sex, is always something negative and undesirable, it's still part of our nature. The politicians think that violent imagery trivialises the subject and corrupts youngsters which leads to ridiculously overblown outbursts of censorship. The worst thing is that it actually IS this censorship which trivialises violence in the first place. An example I like to refer to is the German version of World in Conflict, in which the chemical strike has become a teargas strike and the napalm attack is refered to as "anti-vegetation strike". Let me just reiterate that: The weapon that burned, disfigured and killed thousands during the Vietnam war is reduced to a mere herbicide. Now tell me who's trivialising violence: The original game or those who censored it?

Edited by Rayburn, 05 August 2008 - 19:41.

[Kichō]

In China they're trying to get people reduce the amount of people having sex due to the fact that our country is over growning where as our 1 Child policy doesn't work.... Where as Violence on the other hand they don't really care... :S

In short: Just as exactly like MasterChief said.

[Eddy01741]

Hmm, the fact that they want a smaller population might explain why at every convinient store I went to in china had condoms right next to the counter....

[Lord Atlantis]

I have noticed a trend that generally, sexuality carries more weight in the united states but the violence and teh blood and gore carries more weight in Europe. It all kinda stems from the foundings of the nations and the beliefs of the nations.

@ Boidy, my thoughts exactly.

[BeefJeRKy]

Censorship and ratings are not very useful anyway. If children watch the news they'll find out a lot more than they need to know about violence. And I agree that unless the nude scenes in a movie are as vulgar as a porn flick, it does not deserve an 18+ rating probably a 15+.

[Eddy01741]

yeah, nudity kind of depends on the situation... if a woman is undressing for the sake of just changing her clothes or something, that in my mind might warrant like PG-13, not an automatic R rating.

[Ion Cannon!]

Sex is the most natural human thing yet its treated like some evil taboo, we have the spread of catholicism to thank for that. Although I wouldn't change the ratings system in regard to sexual content. Violence that revels in the act, like dismemberment ect should be an auto 18. Anyways the ratings really can't be enforced, i'm pretty sure most people by the age of 13 have seen numerous media material which they shouldn't have. I know I had and I parents who cared about that kind of thing.

I might be a little strange in this regard but while I generally dislike violence in films ( Especially senseless violence ) I have no problem with it in games.

[Destiny]

Eddy01741, on 6 Aug 2008, 5:10, said:

Hmm, the fact that they want a smaller population might explain why at every convinient store I went to in china had condoms right next to the counter....

Well...

In the Americas, I presume, all 7 Eleven stores...sells condoms.

In the UK, I presume, all 7 Eleven stores...sell condoms.

In Africa, I'm very sure, if there's any 7 Eleven stores, sell condoms due to the unknown raping.

In Southeast Asia...wherever there's a 7 Eleven, there is a condom.


Just a thought...



I don't really like gore and the likes, but I'm a just a little fine with violence. I just love weapons.

[Eddy01741]

I'm pretty sure in America they don't put the condoms right next to the counter. Even in a CVS you have to ask behind the counter to get some last time I went there (not that I got any, just an observation of my friends and I).

[Shirou]

At a medicine store here in the Netherlands, condoms are right next to the counter, which is also a bit more convenient as some ppl are so shy they refrain from asking for them if unexperienced.

It's better to have them obviously there, so people can more easily get them.

[Chyros]

I fail to see why making children not watching sexually tinted movies is regarded as a form of "protection". Nothing unnatural about it - in fact I think many people fail to learn valuable lessons in critical parts of their life because of the censorship on it. As for violence - idealised violence in movies is uninspiring, and real brutality only helps strengthen kids' characters. It'd be a sour wake-up for them when they'd learn that the world is not all about hearts and flowers out there - what's bad about being prepared by watching television?

[Sharpnessism]

Chyros, on 10 Aug 2008, 18:53, said:

I fail to see why making children not watching sexually tinted movies is regarded as a form of "protection". Nothing unnatural about it - in fact I think many people fail to learn valuable lessons in critical parts of their life because of the censorship on it. As for violence - idealised violence in movies is uninspiring, and real brutality only helps strengthen kids' characters. It'd be a sour wake-up for them when they'd learn that the world is not all about hearts and flowers out there - what's bad about being prepared by watching television?

For one, there's tons of shitty parents everywhere. Even more regular parents who need to use the T.V. as a babysitter. If you leave too many television shows on with high amounts of violence and sex, it DOES negatively affect a child if he/she just sits there all day and watches it without supervision.

Plus paving the way for more violent/sexual shows would probably allow for shows with more gore. Though now I am not affected by the tons of blood spatter everywhere in horror movies, I can safely say that'll scared the crap out of a ton of kids.

[Chyros]

Sharpnessism, on 11 Aug 2008, 16:28, said:

Plus paving the way for more violent/sexual shows would probably allow for shows with more gore. Though now I am not affected by the tons of blood spatter everywhere in horror movies, I can safely say that'll scared the crap out of a ton of kids.

If it scares them, they'll just not watch it next time. Or get back to them when they are older. Kids aren't made of porcelain, they can handle a few things. Much of society tends to be extremely overprotective of them IMO.

[thinimus]

Here's two reasons I think violence and sexuality are seen a bit differently in Europe and the U.S.

European people have existed far longer and fighting has been part of their history for over two thousand years.

European are tired of fighting as they suffered greatly for a long time and have finally stopped it. However, sex has been part of their culture for so long that people are think less of it. The people in Europe have a greater amount of history to lean on, and people in each country tend to be more similar in thinking, upbringing, beliefs etc. The sense on nationality is stronger.

The U.S is a young country, and previous to it's formation, various national and ethnic groups fought over control of borders, but the fighting never lasted very long. One thing though is that he U.S. is very culturally and ethnically diverse for a single country. It's also more isolationist being that it isn't land locked with but two other countries, and one of which, Canada, isn't very different. When you have a less homogeneous but united population, people tend to hold back on sex as they naturally don't want to intermingle with different people. Look at how high divorce rates are in the U.S. Greater than 50% There's a lot more social pressure.

Violence wise, the U.S. has had the benefit of never being invaded. That's why we're less worried about violence in the media as for the most part we haven't gone to war with similar sized nations. (Though the U.S. does engage in small scale military action around the world constantly and has during it's whole existence with some exceptions such as with Japan, Viet Nam, the Balkans and Iraq).

Side not: Something I've learned about the human brain is that about 60% of it is devoted to sex, which obviously has a big impact on how a person thinks makes decisions, even when not realizing it.

Edited by thinimus, 12 August 2008 - 00:49.

[Foxhound]

E.V.E., on 5 Aug 2008, 15:06, said:

I'd like to know that aswell.

Believe it or not, here in Germany it's the exact Opposite. Movies here wich contain Sexual Topics and all can be viewed even with 13, while Blood in Games get removed.

What the hell.

- E.V.E.

Green blood in Doom.

As per the larger topic, most of the statements made (specifically Chryos's and thinimus's) are right on the money. And honestly, all this "sheltering" is really just making people naive. It's overkill, if you ask me.

[The Wandering Jew]

Sex can lead to violence.

So sex should be properly instructed, not banned.

[Eddy01741]

Sex ed is becoming more and more popular in america, some schools are even handing out free condoms at the nurse's office because they figure that the kids are gonna have sex anyways.

[The Wandering Jew]

Additional:

A huge percentage of heinous crimes committed are sexually-based.

[Eddy01741]

Rape isn't as bad as murder no matter how you scratch it.

[The Wandering Jew]

Eddy01741, on 13 Aug 2008, 9:16, said:

Rape isn't as bad as murder no matter how you scratch it.

It is still heinous.