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[E.V.E.]

I think that it's normal to try to keep Staff Members in their Positions first than to replace them, simply because of their Experience.

However, I do agree though that there is a Limit to being inactive and I do understand that it is something some People lately are getting annoyed with.

- E.V.E.

[Alias]

E.V.E., on 30 Aug 2008, 9:58, said:

I think that it's normal to try to keep Staff Members in their Positions first than to replace them, simply because of their Experience.

However, I do agree though that there is a Limit to being inactive and I do understand that it is something some People lately are getting annoyed with.

So on one extreme you want to keep everyone with "experience", but on the other extreme, you hire the people with zero experience? Activity in this context isn't just "I post a few times a day and keep the place tidy", it's "I post regularly in most sections of the forum, I participate in the community while still maintaining the welfare of all forum goers." Out of the current staff, I can name no more than 5 who would be classified as the latter.

[Pav:3d]

C Boidy's big post is brilliant and very true, epscially "-There appears to be a touch of favoritism." yeah, Case in point being EVE becoming Admin in like what, a year and a half? Nothing againts EVE personally, but unfair to those who have been here for decades and receieved nothing

I agree with all of your post Alias, its whats been brimming in the back of the members minds methinks
Id love to see your good n bad list O:

[E.V.E.]

I said, we try to bring our Inactive Staff back to work before we hire new People and make old Staff Goldmembers.

You wouldn't instantly buy a new Dog just because your current one isn't feeling well, now would you?

- E.V.E.

[Alias]

E.V.E., on 30 Aug 2008, 10:10, said:

I said, we try to bring our Inactive Staff back to work before we hire new People and make old Staff Goldmembers.

You wouldn't instantly buy a new Dog just because your current one isn't feeling well, now would you?

Not my point. My point is that you want to keep all your dogs that you have taught tricks, but also buy new ones that know no tricks instead of buying a pre-trained one. And now, you have too many dogs and you cannot control them all.

[WarMenace]

Well, urm animals as examples, lol. Anyway, E.V.E. is half right. Leave the staff members be, if they are inactive for a long time, give them a chance to come back, but if they don't then the admins do what they want with them. That is none of our business with the staff, I believe they should only be kicked out when they disrespect the higher authority and/or insult or flame anyone in the forums multiple times, or just not acting the way they are expected or required to be. So, yes, E.V.E. was partially right, and Alias was right too. But really if you wanna hire new staff members, they should have a little experience. You shouldn't go around making people staff members, that's not right IMO.

Edited by WarMenace92, 30 August 2008 - 00:23.

[Ascendancy]

In my opinion the current staff of this board, is well, adequate to say the least. Sure some threads have been locked for unknown reasons or reasons that aren't well too clear or something else that (in my eyes) doesn't make any sense, but they've been trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability (and no, don't get me wrong, Alias, I agree with you here, but I'm not going to go so far as to say this board is becoming a Police state).

Now, this is coming from someone that in the broad perspective of things has hardly any posts. I have been around for a couple years to see this place grow, and shrink when things got slow. I've been keeping my eye on this board for a long time just to see if we've had some new updates for the SWR projects and to see if perhaps some other project has found its home here and will have a release further on down the road. It is true we're supporting a game that has a dying community, and perhaps without this board and several other ones all support would be long gone. I'm very happy to see that in the two years I have been apart of E-Studios that it's still shown some growth and prosperity always seems to lurk around the corner with a new update or release of a modification.

Where I stand as a member on this board, is in a place that has basically died off (E-Studios' Mapper Guild hardly exists anymore, since they've gone to a new set of boards, and merged with another studio or community, don't quite recall). Sure, I have access to a couple boards that the general public does not have access to, but those sections are just filled with age old topics and projects that never quite made it to public release. Even the Mapper Guild Council (which is the moderating team for that whole section, and despite my long time membership in the Guild, never got there) is hardly active. This is also probably due to the fact they have another board for their business.

I know the Staff has moderators across Europe and all, but I don't know if there's one from out in my time zone (GMT -8, Pacific Time, US) to do some of the moderating jobs. This is not implying that I want such a job. But like a lot of other people, I would like to help out, despite my not so activeness and I haven't put out flames in a flame war. If I was given such a job you'd bet I'd do my damnedest to uphold the rules and go by them as strict as I am now as a member.

And if you're wondering why I was "replying" in this thread for so long...I actually left with my dad to go shopping and pick up mom.


Ascendancy

[Alias]

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:22, said:

Well, urm animals as examples, lol. Anyway, E.V.E. is half right. Leave the staff members be, if they are inactive for a long time, give them a chance to come back, but if they don't then the admins do what they want with them. That is none of our business with the staff, I believe they should only be kicked out when they disrespect the higher authority and/or insult or flame anyone in the forums multiple times, or just not acting the way they are expected or required to be. So, yes, E.V.E. was partially right, and Alias was right too. But really if you wanna hire new staff members, they should have a little experience. You shouldn't go around making people staff members, that's not right IMO.

Stop being a sycophant. It is our right to criticise how this place is being run.

[WarMenace]

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 19:27, said:

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:22, said:

Well, urm animals as examples, lol. Anyway, E.V.E. is half right. Leave the staff members be, if they are inactive for a long time, give them a chance to come back, but if they don't then the admins do what they want with them. That is none of our business with the staff, I believe they should only be kicked out when they disrespect the higher authority and/or insult or flame anyone in the forums multiple times, or just not acting the way they are expected or required to be. So, yes, E.V.E. was partially right, and Alias was right too. But really if you wanna hire new staff members, they should have a little experience. You shouldn't go around making people staff members, that's not right IMO.

Stop being a sycophant. It is our right to criticise how this place is being run.

You obviously don't get what I said did you? What i meant to say was this place is running as it should, everything is going smoothly, therefore nothing should be changed. And changing any rules or regulations of this board is up to the admins, and the staff is none of our business with. None or little changes should be added and even if you want it to, you won't be able to do it unless the admins agree. So stop arguing, I'm just giving my opinion on what I think should or shouldn't be changed or added. If you want to run this place the way YOU want to, work your way up to an admin, change whatever you want, but until then this place has been running smoothly. It hasn't had any problems so far, so therefore it should not be changed.

[Alias]

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:34, said:

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 19:27, said:

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:22, said:

Well, urm animals as examples, lol. Anyway, E.V.E. is half right. Leave the staff members be, if they are inactive for a long time, give them a chance to come back, but if they don't then the admins do what they want with them. That is none of our business with the staff, I believe they should only be kicked out when they disrespect the higher authority and/or insult or flame anyone in the forums multiple times, or just not acting the way they are expected or required to be. So, yes, E.V.E. was partially right, and Alias was right too. But really if you wanna hire new staff members, they should have a little experience. You shouldn't go around making people staff members, that's not right IMO.

Stop being a sycophant. It is our right to criticise how this place is being run.

You obviously don't get what I said did you? What i meant to say was this place is running as it should, everything is going smoothly, therefore nothing should be changed. And changing any rules or regulations of this board is up to the admins, and the staff is none of our business with. None or little changes should be added and even if you want it to, you won't be able to do it unless the admins agree. So stop arguing, I'm just giving my opinion on what I think should or shouldn't be changed or added. If you want to run this place the way YOU want to, work your way up to an admin, change whatever you want, but until then this place has been running smoothly. It hasn't had any problems so far, so therefore it should not be changed.

I was saying you are a suck up. You may think nothing should be changed, but I do. I am also allowed to say what I think should be changed. Oh, about "no problems so far", you know so little, naive one. Leave this to the people who know what they're talking about.

Edited by Alias, 30 August 2008 - 00:37.

[Ghostrider]

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 20:36, said:

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:34, said:

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 19:27, said:

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:22, said:

Well, urm animals as examples, lol. Anyway, E.V.E. is half right. Leave the staff members be, if they are inactive for a long time, give them a chance to come back, but if they don't then the admins do what they want with them. That is none of our business with the staff, I believe they should only be kicked out when they disrespect the higher authority and/or insult or flame anyone in the forums multiple times, or just not acting the way they are expected or required to be. So, yes, E.V.E. was partially right, and Alias was right too. But really if you wanna hire new staff members, they should have a little experience. You shouldn't go around making people staff members, that's not right IMO.

Stop being a sycophant. It is our right to criticise how this place is being run.

You obviously don't get what I said did you? What i meant to say was this place is running as it should, everything is going smoothly, therefore nothing should be changed. And changing any rules or regulations of this board is up to the admins, and the staff is none of our business with. None or little changes should be added and even if you want it to, you won't be able to do it unless the admins agree. So stop arguing, I'm just giving my opinion on what I think should or shouldn't be changed or added. If you want to run this place the way YOU want to, work your way up to an admin, change whatever you want, but until then this place has been running smoothly. It hasn't had any problems so far, so therefore it should not be changed.

I was saying you are a suck up. You may think nothing should be changed, but I do. I am also allowed to say what I think should be changed. Oh, about "no problems so far", you know so little, naive one. Leave this to the people who know what they're talking about.

Let's keep the name calling to a minimum, mentlegen.

First off, good topic here, Alias, thanks for creating it.

One thing in particular that I feel is important is that recently there has been some very odd usage of moderator power. It's been a few times now where I've seen totally unnecessary changes made by moderator's in a certain topics, and no, I'm not talking about locky. Tbh, it's annoying. Please be considerate with the privileges that you have, upper-class people, and take into account regular members' ideas when changing things.

And no, I will not mention names.

[Ion Cannon!]

WarMenace92, on 29 Aug 2008, 22:20, said:

I agree with Alias too, that's all im gonna say.

Way to contradict yourself twice.

Staff members that are not active for a period of time and that have a high chance of not returning to a high level of activity should be demoted. And if the empty staff place needs to be filled, fill it. If not, and the current staff are able to deal with all events there is no need to replace that staff member.

[WarMenace]

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 19:36, said:

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:34, said:

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 19:27, said:

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:22, said:

Well, urm animals as examples, lol. Anyway, E.V.E. is half right. Leave the staff members be, if they are inactive for a long time, give them a chance to come back, but if they don't then the admins do what they want with them. That is none of our business with the staff, I believe they should only be kicked out when they disrespect the higher authority and/or insult or flame anyone in the forums multiple times, or just not acting the way they are expected or required to be. So, yes, E.V.E. was partially right, and Alias was right too. But really if you wanna hire new staff members, they should have a little experience. You shouldn't go around making people staff members, that's not right IMO.

Stop being a sycophant. It is our right to criticise how this place is being run.

You obviously don't get what I said did you? What i meant to say was this place is running as it should, everything is going smoothly, therefore nothing should be changed. And changing any rules or regulations of this board is up to the admins, and the staff is none of our business with. None or little changes should be added and even if you want it to, you won't be able to do it unless the admins agree. So stop arguing, I'm just giving my opinion on what I think should or shouldn't be changed or added. If you want to run this place the way YOU want to, work your way up to an admin, change whatever you want, but until then this place has been running smoothly. It hasn't had any problems so far, so therefore it should not be changed.

I was saying you are a suck up. You may think nothing should be changed, but I do. I am also allowed to say what I think should be changed. Oh, about "no problems so far", you know so little, naive one. Leave this to the people who know what they're talking about.

Say what you want to, but in my opinion, I'm speaking my mind, this forum is good as it is, if there were problems then there would be signs of them, and so far I see none. Go ahead and challenge the admins, do what you want to, speak what you want, but like you said I have every right to criticize how this place is being run. So I know what I'm talking about, you just clearly don't understand what I mean.

[Alias]

I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore.

Insomniac!, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:40, said:

WarMenace92, on 29 Aug 2008, 22:20, said:

I agree with Alias too, that's all im gonna say.

Way to contradict yourself twice.

Staff members that are not active for a period of time and that have a high chance of not returning to a high level of activity should be demoted. And if the empty staff place needs to be filled, fill it. If not, and the current staff are able to deal with all events there is no need to replace that staff member.

Thankyou, Ion. I'm glad for your support, and I'm happy there still it signs of intelligence at this place, even if it is minimal.

Edited by Alias, 30 August 2008 - 00:46.

[Ion Cannon!]

@WarMenace : Quite honestly, you haven't been here long enough to see the changes.

Also, you seem to have changed your opinion from agreeing completely with Alias to agreeing with the opposite in a very short space of time.

Edited by Insomniac!, 30 August 2008 - 00:48.

[WarMenace]

Insomniac!, on 29 Aug 2008, 19:40, said:

WarMenace92, on 29 Aug 2008, 22:20, said:

I agree with Alias too, that's all im gonna say.

Way to contradict yourself twice.

Staff members that are not active for a period of time and that have a high chance of not returning to a high level of activity should be demoted. And if the empty staff place needs to be filled, fill it. If not, and the current staff are able to deal with all events there is no need to replace that staff member.

I agreed, until I read the whole thing again. I couldn't agree with everything, Alias might be right about some, but this change is just too complicated, and who knows what might happen if the change is made, for better or for worse, I'm just saying we don't take that chance and just keep everything the way it was.

[Jack Sparrow]

But there MUST be some changes made around here, and Alias has made a good start with his suggestions. Whether those changes are cutting some trivial staff or just ordering that moderators/admin/etc. become active again, it would be good to get some flow in these forums. Savvy?

Edited by Jack Sparrow, 30 August 2008 - 00:53.

[Kichō]

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 22:15, said:

Zhen Ji, on 30 Aug 2008, 7:12, said:

Just like Boidy said I support this because of the points you made, though some of the staff ain't that bad. >_>

It would be nice to tell me which points.

Like I said all of them especially the second point you made because when I first joined the forums there was alot of racism,flame wars etc and the rules were practically non-existant(basically dead) until a few days the rules get suddenly changed...Which is a bit odd if you ask me. (+On a side note I was going to make a similar thread to yours regarding this but I didn't because people wouldn't believe/wouldn't care if it was coming from a "Newcomer")

Nem said:

Please! Please don't let this slip threw the cracks! The more important issue is the community's growth. I rarely see the number of registered users out number the guests, They are out there. We need to get the staff to take a more active roll on getting these people signed up.

And that was why I was reluctant to join the community, sometimes I think about it and think it's a mistake...

Also another major point that sparked was what Boidy + P4v3d said; "Favoritism" I do believe that's going on here because (No offence or anything) but how can a normal member turn into a Forum Mod, Staff and then Admin within just a year..Surely that isn't possible is it?When I was a guest lurking around the forums in mid-end 2005 everything was in order + there was far more people who deserved Staff/Forum Mod status way before the newest Admin which isn't right if you ask me. I apologize if this is offensive or anything but it's how I feel, sure I may never be respected unlike you forum veterans but I am allowed to voice my opinion regardless if I am newish.

I hope this is clear.

[E.V.E.]

You might aswell just have written my Name.

And most retired Staff Members already said it, and I'll say it again: Time spent on the Forums since Registration isn't the only thing that counts.

- E.V.E.

[Alias]

Stop drifting away from topic, please.

This isn't about E.V.E. This is about the administration in general, a much more serious issue.

Edited by Alias, 30 August 2008 - 01:51.

[Lizzie]

Nem, on 29 Aug 2008, 15:22, said:

E.V.E., on 29 Aug 2008, 6:56, said:

Add to that, that we need People who would like to serve the Community

This is where I have my problem. I find that the staff are well.. lazy. When your community is built apon a dieing game you need to do a little extra to keep things moving. The relaxed state that people with the power to do something reside in wont cut it.


3. Attitude. Disturbing how the staff act like there on a whole other level then us mere peasants. There was a point when I was repeating asking Admin for help setting up my mod. Only when another staffer noticed and contacted them did I get any attention. This is not right, we are the guys keeping the community running, you could at least flick your wrist twice and take care of whatever is required.

I'm inclined to agree on both points. Mainly from the experience. When one has to go 2 weeks just to get a ban lift date out of the staff, that's pretty silly. I also get sick of this constant attitude I've seen at times of "You're just mere members, what do you know. Be silent". Especially when bringing up issues relating to the forum. Like how I brought up the issue about some rules not being so clear.

C. Boidy, on 29 Aug 2008, 19:41, said:

[color="#FFFF00"]
-There appears to be a touch of favoritism.
-Forgiveness is all but unattainable in the eyes of the staff.
-Throughout my years here, there has always been somewhat of a membrane between the staff and standard members, where the staff take on an arrogant attitude that shines down on everybody else. Of course, this couldn't be reflected in any way, ever.

- Just a touch? I'd argue that there's far more then just a mere touch of favoritism here.
- Also true.
- Also my observation. Though I'd say I have my own wall I got against some members of the staff here. Look above and you'll note that I also noticed the apparent arrogance.

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 20:36, said:

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:34, said:

Alias, on 29 Aug 2008, 19:27, said:

WarMenace92, on 30 Aug 2008, 10:22, said:

Well, urm animals as examples, lol. Anyway, E.V.E. is half right. Leave the staff members be, if they are inactive for a long time, give them a chance to come back, but if they don't then the admins do what they want with them. That is none of our business with the staff, I believe they should only be kicked out when they disrespect the higher authority and/or insult or flame anyone in the forums multiple times, or just not acting the way they are expected or required to be. So, yes, E.V.E. was partially right, and Alias was right too. But really if you wanna hire new staff members, they should have a little experience. You shouldn't go around making people staff members, that's not right IMO.

Stop being a sycophant. It is our right to criticise how this place is being run.

You obviously don't get what I said did you? What i meant to say was this place is running as it should, everything is going smoothly, therefore nothing should be changed. And changing any rules or regulations of this board is up to the admins, and the staff is none of our business with. None or little changes should be added and even if you want it to, you won't be able to do it unless the admins agree. So stop arguing, I'm just giving my opinion on what I think should or shouldn't be changed or added. If you want to run this place the way YOU want to, work your way up to an admin, change whatever you want, but until then this place has been running smoothly. It hasn't had any problems so far, so therefore it should not be changed.

I was saying you are a suck up. You may think nothing should be changed, but I do. I am also allowed to say what I think should be changed. Oh, about "no problems so far", you know so little, naive one. Leave this to the people who know what they're talking about.

I simply agree with Alias' response to this and nothing more.

[Wi-Ta]

After I have read all here one thing got clear to me.
Some users have their personal problems with the admins.
This is not the issue here, it should be in this thread only go about the Forum and how the staff dealing with it.

There are always two sides of the coin.
A personal and the Forum.
The personal reasons into the background please and constructive criticism to the front.

You should also know that English is not the mother tongue of all users (like me).
So that it may be some opinions sound funny or stupid to you please be careful you can hurt someone if you flame him.

best regards
Wi-Ta

[Whitey]

You cannot care for the forum as a whole without caring for the individual.

-Boidy

[retry_1]

Warboss Nooka, on 29 Aug 2008, 18:15, said:

retry_1, on 29 Aug 2008, 17:51, said:

but boidy and other longtime members have wanted to help, and have helped the community a lot longer, and more frequently than he has.

From what I remember, the reason you guys wouldn't be promoted is because you "wanted" it and it's known to the top brass. That's the only reason I think that's keeping you guys out of the upper echelons, and to a point, I believe that reason to be ridiculous.

actually, i couldn't want to be a staffer any less. i disagree with alot of the ways things are done here. and i do not want to be a part of it. also, the only section i'm really active in is the 2D art section. and i don't intend to change that anytime soon. probably why no one comments my art anymore. this topic just struck my eye, and after reading it, i thought i would post to support alias.

also, boidy did not know about my poost before it happened. it probably pissed him off a little bit that i used his name.

Edited by retry_1, 30 August 2008 - 03:20.

[Wi-Ta]

C. Boidy, on 30 Aug 2008, 5:13, said:

You cannot care for the forum as a whole without caring for the individual.

-Boidy

You are right on that Boidy.
But some people take this to personal in my opinon.

br
wi-ta