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[chmsc girl komunista]

A little start-up about this topic, we would like to hear the e-studios community's opinion on the Philippine armed forces, especially on the following:

1. Modernization

2. tactics

3. and future warfare.

Thanks,


We would like to hear more from you guys!

Michelle Claire


to start; a fact about the armed forces of the Philippines:

The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) (Filipino: Sandatahang Lakas ng Pilipinas) is composed of the Philippine Army, Philippine Navy and Philippine Air Force. The AFP is a volunteer force and has a total active strength of 113,500 with 131,000 personnel in reserve. The AFP leadership consists of the Chief of Staff (Gen. Alexander B. Yano), Vice Chief of Staff (Lt. Gen. Cardozo M. Luna), and Deputy Chief of Staff (Lt. Gen. Rodrigo F. Maclang).




My opinion on modernization:

Philippine Armed forces desperately needs new equipment, I go for Russian equipments! cheap and reliable!

[Jok3r]

chmsc girl komunista, on 2 Sep 2008, 21:50, said:

My opinion on modernization:

Philippine Armed forces desperately needs new equipment, I go for Russian equipments! cheap and reliable!

The reliable part is an old stereotype based on the nigh-on-indestructible Automatic Kalashnikov. Admittedly, in this day and age, Russian equipment is still fairly reliable, but perhaps not to quite the same degree it once was (equipment is no longer required to be useable by poor, stupid conscripts, who might drag it through a swamp just to see what happens). In addition, although Russia continues to sell a fair bit of military equipment, they amount they are actually exporting is (IIRC) actually decreasing. This is not referring to infantry weaponary ( '74s and '28s) but more to their newer vehicular weapons.
Swimmer

[Cryptkeeper]

take it from the nearby US military base i mean i didn't say anything but seriously i thin kthere best bet would actually be buying it from some of the smaller countries would reproduce russian tech

[The Wandering Jew]

Okay. I'll try not to sound politicking.

In answer for the poster's topic (I am a Filipino), The Philippines shall never obtain military equipment from either in Russia or in China, even if it is simply modernization.

Why?

1. Out of political and historical issues (and I am not going to discuss this further. I shall give only a few clues. Clark and Subic Airfield, Colonial Mentality, former president Diosdado Macapagal, Crab Mentality)

2. The Philippine Constitution bans nuclear-based weaponry, let alone nuclear energy. Remember the scrapped Bataan Nuclear Power Plant? It has been abandoned for more than a decade and still, we still pay the so-called "construction expenses" to the company who built that ill-fated plant. So the future warfare participation of the Philippines is the least to be desired (and a good thing too.)

3. 100% of the equipment came from either in the US or US/NATO ally nation (i.e. French-made Exocet missile and UK-built Scmitar AFV, yes we have those 1960s/70s-era items). So I don't really expect that the Philippine Military/Government shall give expenditures to upgrade equipment by either Russia or China (Hey, business is business. You know how businesses are..with strings attached, of course!).

4. It has been assessed by a UP (University of the Philippines) economist that the Philippines can purchase equipment from the aforementioned countries, but chances are, it may put a strain on the US-Philippine relations. See, it all boils down to Reason No. 1.


Going on the tactics:

The recent Balikatan Exercises between the US and Philippine forces have put it clearly that the military doctrine of the US shall also be applied by the Philippine Army (Say what? Army? What happened to the Navy and Airforce? Well, the Airforce has only the A-10 Warthogs because the five, yes, FIVE Northtrop Grumman F4s were scrapped. The Navy has half a fleet of PT boats left over from Vietnam War.)


In essence, the Philippine Military is the US Military minus the equipment.


P.S. I am still praying to all known deities of all known religions that there would be no major war shall escalate. Why? The Philippines is a very good location for destroyers, aircraft carriers, submarines...

[CommanderJB]

Swimmer, on 3 Sep 2008, 11:58, said:

chmsc girl komunista, on 2 Sep 2008, 21:50, said:

My opinion on modernization:

Philippine Armed forces desperately needs new equipment, I go for Russian equipments! cheap and reliable!

The reliable part is an old stereotype based on the nigh-on-indestructible Automatic Kalashnikov. Admittedly, in this day and age, Russian equipment is still fairly reliable, but perhaps not to quite the same degree it once was (equipment is no longer required to be useable by poor, stupid conscripts, who might drag it through a swamp just to see what happens). In addition, although Russia continues to sell a fair bit of military equipment, they amount they are actually exporting is (IIRC) actually decreasing. This is not referring to infantry weaponary ( '74s and '28s) but more to their newer vehicular weapons.
Swimmer

Hmm... sort of. It still has that sort of reputation though. The BMP-3 beat the Bradley and the Warrior in competitive evaluations in the UAE in 1991 because it just kept on going no matter how much sand they threw at it, so in some examples at least they're maintaining the 'keeps going untill it rusts clean through' image. And while I don't have any stats to prove it, I would suspect that what with recent deals with China and India, Russia is exporting more military tech now than it ever has, and certainly since it formed as actual Russia.

[chmsc girl komunista]

that's a fact, as you see Philippine armed forces is known to have the weakest kind of armored fighting vehicles; nowdays, indonesia seems to be more modernized in terms of armor and infantry.

a lineup of philippine wheeled armored fighting vehicles;


the chaimite


the simba- the most numerous of philippine armor and muslim extremists in mindanao such as the MILF and the abu sayaff don't find it hard to bust it's armor with a recoiless rifle or an rpg, pity,


the V-150 commando


the LAV-300- said to be the "latest" afv of the philippine armed forces; but actually, the US's old and slightly used apc,

we can see muslim rebels in mindanao weilding rpg's at filipino soldiers, why don't afp soldiers also start using the same rpg against them, indonesian army uses rpg's together with m-16's. what an irony! :wahhhhhaa:

something about the philippine airforce;

they were offered with the following aircraft for modernization their program;

said to be "worth considering"


the Mi-8


the mig-29

to see topics about this two aircraft visit this site you will read and article about this; http://timawa.net/modernization.htm or its forums http://www.timawa.net/forum/





I think the Philippine armed forces should give it a try, indonesia also bans nukes but why did they buy russian weapons? .:wahhhhhaa:

avtokraz a truck maker in ukraine won a deal with the indonesian armed forces to supply a dozen kraz 6322 cargo trucks...

http://autokraz.com....03/080325_0.php


why don't the armed forces of the philippines try the following for a start;



the BTR-80.

more to follow....

Edited by chmsc girl komunista, 03 September 2008 - 23:58.

[Jok3r]

Mainly due to their trade relations with the US/NATO...
Swimmer

[CommanderJB]

chmsc girl komunista, on 4 Sep 2008, 9:31, said:

indonesia seems to be more modernized in terms of armor and infantry.

Well, to be fair, they are IIRC the world's fourth most populous nation... So they have a bit of a better tax base, really. Admittedly it's taken a while for them to modernise, but I wouldn't hold up any significant hope of keeping up with their forces for much longer. Australia is even starting to get a bit worried with the new Su-30MK1s they've been buying.

[AZZKIKR]

i did some research and amazingly, it seems that singapore has more MBTs than malaysia or the philippines

[chmsc girl suplada]

according to my friend; a cadet of an rotc of the neighboring college, technological university of the philippines, which is a naval unit, his commandant said to account that Indonesian patrol boats are armed with PK and kord machine guns. according to his officer, somewhere between the coast of Surabaya and Sulu, they accidentally ventured into Indonesian territorial waters, they were intercepted by the indonesian navy, at the moment, the indonesians identified they were Philippine navy, they were prudently asked to change course, but what startled this officer are the russian-made weapons the boat was equipped, and said "sana meron din tayo ng ganong machine gun na yan!"(I hope we can have those kinds of machine gun..).

this forum site, http://www.timawa.net/forum/ has good intel on Philippine armed forces; i'll be joining this forum!


some accounts that Philippine policemen are already using ak-47's


http://www.cityofsantiago.gov.ph/index.php...Itemid=99999999

Quote

One of best-armed PNP units may be in Isabela


By Villamor Visaya
Inquirer
Last updated 05:26am (Mla time) 07/19/2006

Published on Page A1 of the July 19, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer

SANTIAGO CITY, Isabela -- With their latest acquisition of at least 96 high-powered firearms, including 20 AK-47 assault rifles, the 135-strong city police force may be one of the best armed law enforcement units in the country today.

Edited by chmsc girl suplada, 04 September 2008 - 06:26.

[chmsc girl komunista]

The Wandering Jew, on 3 Sep 2008, 4:31, said:

" 100% of the equipment came from either in the US or US/NATO ally nation"

indonesian armed forces has the pt-76,BMP-1,2, BTR-50, and PTS-M aren't those Russian ?

Phlippines will really get fucked if they try the indonesian Armed Forces


isn't Russia a member of the NATO?

oh! why don't our dear president and his beloved generals in AFP try Ukrainian and Belorussian equipment, like these importers

Rosoboronexport, Belspetsvneshtechnika, ukrspetsexport.

the only people who are big problems in this move are babbling congress and senate retards in the lower house of our country who if they seem they can't make money in this deal, they'll stop this being implemented.

maybe it's time the afp to flex its military knowledge in purchasing....

Edited by chmsc girl komunista, 05 September 2008 - 00:58.

[Soul]

No, Russia isn't a member of NATO.

[AZZKIKR]

and " 100% of the equipment came from either in the US or US/NATO ally nation" refers to philippines

[CommanderJB]

To be frank, the Phillippines will almost certainly never buy any Russian equipment in any of its high-profile roles no matter how good it may or may not be for its tasks. As a close Western ally, the political implications of doing weapons deals worth massive amounts of money with Russia is simply not good from your international relations point of view, especially given that U.S./Russia relations are now at their lowest point since 1991. Also, Western tech with its strong emphasis on 'force multiplication' is often very attractive to nations with lower military budgets - the promise of being able to do more with less is always alluring, and much Russian equipment is tailored more to being part of a massive army rather than being capable of interoperability. So instead of going for solid equipment designed for a straight-out battle, smaller militaries often choose a few 'prestige' items to fly at airshows and combine them with cheap and plentiful light-attack aircraft for COIN and general-purpose use against equally small neighbours, AFVs and large amounts of infantry through conscription. I'm not trying to say anything about the Phillippines itself here, just that the forces of smaller nations tend towards units that can do more with less obtained from allies as opposed to from a world-wide tender process.
It's a cause of considerable frustration for me and some others I know that militaries such as Australia's own, and even Britain's, have evolved to rely on political alliances with the U.S. and tailored their forces accordingly - for example, Australia's new Hobart Class air-warfare destroyers are specifically desgined to escort U.S. carrier battle groups in the region. Our Meko 200-design ANZAC-class frigates didn't even used to have anti-ship capability at all, so much was the assumption that all such tasks would be undertaken by carrier-based jets. At least Britain's new Queen Elizabeth class of aircraft carrier will put her navy back on the world power projection stage as a stand-alone. But the simple fact is that it's safer and much cheaper to base military spending on its most likely use in the short-term without regard for the future status of alliances or national needs.

[The Wandering Jew]

Swimmer, on 4 Sep 2008, 9:07, said:

Mainly due to their trade relations with the US/NATO...
Swimmer

Amen to that. See my last post.

[Rai]

The Armed Forces of the Philippines or AFP has the weakest kind of armoured vehicles and weaponry, because according to some people that the weaponry is like from World War II during the Japanese occupation in the Philippines. And their airforce has some major issues like some of them are crashing down, many technical problems. To support this information: A C-150 carrying recruitment crashed in Visayas, while flying in the air in this year, and also a helicopter crashed somewhere in the Philippines. And the Infantry they are the most trained soldiers in the world, because they go in the hardest training like going into the forest with lots of deadly animals and they don't have any weaponry and their mission is to get the dummy with no injuries. Their exercises are marching around the whole base 2-4 times and.............................................................................
DANCING!!!

Edited by Papaya Master Rai, 05 September 2008 - 08:25.

[Wizard]

2nd time you've done this. See here for slapped wrist. Don't spam this anymore.

[DerKrieger]

If I remember correctly the Filipino Air Force is buying F-16s to replace their F-5 jets.

[The Wandering Jew]

DerKrieger, on 5 Sep 2008, 23:50, said:

If I remember correctly the Filipino Air Force is buying F-16s to replace their F-5 jets.

It has been scrapped due to insufficient funds.

Besides, if we could all manage to buy five (5) F-5's, how much more then to F-16's?

[chmsc girl komunista]

yeah there are f-5's the bad thing is, those F-5's are grounded,

as you've known by now the Philippine army; you'll never see army regulars in the Philippines using RPG's

but according to a friend of mine in the Philippine army a captain, has said to me that the high commands are looking into arming and training Filipino soldiers to use RPG's.




due to so many incidents involving rpg attacks on philippine army units they are re-considering and thinking of the advantages of using the same weapons on their attackers, fight rpg with rpg!


remeber only muslim rebels use the RPG's.

but what their doing today may also help them in their problems, yeah they'd better start it! :wow:

Edited by chmsc girl komunista, 06 September 2008 - 08:34.

[Rai]

chmsc girl komunista, on 6 Sep 2008, 8:08, said:

yeah there are f-5's the bad thing is, those F-5's are grounded,

as you've known by now the Philippine army; you'll never see army regulars in the Philippines using RPG's

but according to a friend of mine in the Philippine army a captain, has said to me that the high commands are looking into arming and training Filipino soldiers to use RPG's.




due to so many incidents involving rpg attacks on philippine army units they are re-considering and thinking of the advantages of using the same weapons on their attackers, fight rpg with rpg!


remeber only muslim rebels use the RPG's.

but what their doing today may also help them in their problems, yeah they'd better start it! :wow:

Rocket-Propelled Grenades are powerful against incoming tanks and infantry in real life not in the game. But a question I might add: Where will they get this kind of weaponry anyway?

[Waris]

Black Markets.

[AZZKIKR]

and palaces.

[Waris]

Well unlike you I'm being serious.

[JJ]

AZZKIKR, on 4 Sep 2008, 14:18, said:

i did some research and amazingly, it seems that singapore has more MBTs than malaysia or the philippines

Singapore would win a war against Malaysia. They would get to Penang in 48 hours and probably Kuala Lumpur in 1 week when an all out war happens.