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[Soul]

Look at what cool stuff they've made this time.

Linky here.

Edited by Soul, 26 September 2008 - 03:02.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Can you say "Holiday Decorations"?

[Jok3r]

HoShit! The problem with that, tho, is that most satellites nowdays used for military reconnaissance have either thermals, or high enough zoom to see the stiches on the damn things. As in- it wouldn't work in use against most modern countries.
Swimmer

[Dr. Strangelove]

Swimmer, on 26 Sep 2008, 3:11, said:

HoShit! The problem with that, tho, is that most satellites nowdays used for military reconnaissance have either thermals, or high enough zoom to see the stiches on the damn things. As in- it wouldn't work in use against most modern countries.
Swimmer

Actually, these could definitely fool satellites, but probably not spy planes.

[Waris]

Spy drones, you mean. Planes like U2 and SR71 flies so high up there the photos taken from these will look similar to their satellite counterparts'.

[Zeke]

lol that's awesome

[Whitey]

LOL.

-Rorschach

[Dr. Strangelove]

Waris, on 26 Sep 2008, 4:28, said:

Spy drones, you mean. Planes like U2 and SR71 flies so high up there the photos taken from these will look similar to their satellite counterparts'.

Well, lower altitude surveillance craft.

[The Wandering Jew]

Pilot: Sir, we have bogeys at 12 o' clock.
Commander: What is it?
Pilot: Fourteen S300s!.
Commander: Wipe 'em out!
Pilot: Yessir!

(after a salvo of anti-ground ordnance...)

Pilot: Sir, I think we have a problem... :lol2:

[AZZKIKR]

the russians are full of hot air...

y is this in warfare tech?

[CommanderJB]

That is ever so clever. And impressively realistic looking for their simplicity of 'construction' - what with the high-pressure nature of modern warfare and split-second decision making forced upon participants due to the sheer speed of combat, it's extremely unlikely that you'd have time to verify one of these as a target before loosing an entire salvo's worth of weaponry on a pile of balloons. I wonder if you could rent one out at a military open day as a uniquely-styled bouncy castle...
Oh, and as for why it's in Warfare Technology, I would suspect it's because it's, umm, technology to do with warfare? I mean, it might not be high technology, but where exactly would you have put it? SYD? To do so would end any hope of sane discussion on the matter and attract voluminous amounts of, well, spam. It's much better off here, believe me.

[Ion Cannon!]

This reminds me of what the British did in WW2. We painted the roofs of some military buildings so that they looked like ponds, or hills. Unfortunately they just decided to bomb our cities instead, so we created - fake cities!

A team of people would set up lights and oil drums then arrange them on a field somewere to look like a settlement, this was during the blackouts so they were prime targets for german bombers, when the bombs landed the team would blow the oil drums so that the german pilots didn't become suspicious. Saw it a while back on a documentary.

[Rade]

Well first of all using decoys is nothing new in warfare and there are numerous examples when the warring sides used decoys, just one recent example is 99 NATO bombing of Serbia, during the conflict NATO claimed they have destroyed over 200 tanks, and as it turned out in the end there was only 13 or 14 tanks destroyed, and only about half of those where destroyed from the air while the rest where taken out by RPGs.
Heres just one link that illustrates what kinds of decoys where used
http://members.tripod.com/YUModelClub/war_.../woodenmigs.htm

[CommanderJB]

Indeed, using mock-ups is almost as old as warfare itself, though I'd never heard of blow-up ones before (I'm actually surprised we haven't had any 'in Soviet Russia' jokes yet, although admittedly I have so far failed to think of one which actually works).

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

CommanderJB, on 26 Sep 2008, 15:44, said:

Indeed, using mock-ups is almost as old as warfare itself, though I'd never heard of blow-up ones before (I'm actually surprised we haven't had any 'in Soviet Russia' jokes yet, although admittedly I have so far failed to think of one which actually works).

In Soviet Russia, you blow up tank

(yes I know it's not the right format, so sue me )

[DerKrieger]

Yea, prior to the D-Day invasion the Allies did create some inflatable decoys to fool German spy planes into thinking that the invasion force was larger than it actually was.

[partyzanpaulzy]

baloon army :lol2:

[General Kirkov]

Bob, on 26 Sep 2008, 10:52, said:

CommanderJB, on 26 Sep 2008, 15:44, said:

Indeed, using mock-ups is almost as old as warfare itself, though I'd never heard of blow-up ones before (I'm actually surprised we haven't had any 'in Soviet Russia' jokes yet, although admittedly I have so far failed to think of one which actually works).

In Soviet Russia, you blow up tank

(yes I know it's not the right format, so sue me )

edit: I just may.


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During the cold war, the Russians would send over hot air baloons and unmaned dirigables over the Arctic into Canadian and US airspace forcing the scrambling of fighters only to see unsavory remarks on the sides of said decoys. The plan was to keep NORAD on it's toes until it get fed up so a real strike could be launched when the fighters needed maintenance or they tought it was another "Balloon Raid."

Edited by General Kirkov, 27 September 2008 - 01:41.

[The Wandering Jew]

Eventhough the term camouflage was of French origin, it was the Russians that have elevated that term to new heights. During the peak of the Sino-Soviet relations strain, bunkers were made (as ordered by over-stressed Nikita Khruschev) along the border, but not all were working. Some of them were intended as decoy by installing ancient KV2 turrets. So the advancing Chinese forces (they did not, fortunately) will blow up the dummies, only to get immolated by the real bunkers.

These balloons almost convinced me that they were real installations (as seen from afar, they would!)

[Eddy01741]

Reminds me of what the allies did on D-Day, make mock up forces near the beaches of Calais to fool the Germans, who also thought that they would attack from Calais, and they hid their forces near the beaches of Normandy.

Anyways, are those first pictures of tank turrets supposed to represent defensive structures (made up of a tank turret and a concrete bunker underneath), or is it supposed to look like camoflauged tanks (since from a satellite, it'd be hard to see if it's a tank or just an emplacement).

[Jazzie Spurs]

GAHAHAHAHAHAHA! XD
Anyway, Good Idea... XD I think :rofll:

[Warbz]

However much they camo the boxes or whatnot, those missiles are still an eyesore. lol

[Pulse]

inflatables lol clever though

[tank50us]

hey, it worked in the lead-up to D-Day, why wouldn't it work in todays enviroment?
Anyone have a BBQ Lighter?

[Thorazine]

Inflate-a-base? *shrugs* There might be a crazy mod suggestion in here somewhere. Maybe.

Still, it's definitely a fast and easy way of "doubling" one's forces.