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[Dauth]

 Teron, on 25 Dec 2008, 1:02, said:

Ask yourself: Why shouldn't one of the C'tan harvest a tasty great HiveMind Soul?

Why should they? The hive mind is probably instinctual more than anything, almost like the soul of a rabbit or well any other rodent. Nothing there is intelligent enough for it to corrupt.

I would like to see the result of an Ork Waagh attacking a Hive World that's about 10 days into Nid infection. The Humans are just red grease but Ork V Nid could be quite decisive.

[Teron]

Hmm, I'm not quite sure about that.

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The Hive Mind is the gestalt metaphysical entity thought to emanate from and exert cohesive control over all Tyranid individuals through psychic manipulation. In terms of the terrestrial Tyranids' encounters with other species, generally in conflict, the Hive Mind is explained as filling the roles of social hierarchy, linguistic communication and military command and control as used by other races.

[...] The presence of the Hive Mind is what separates Tyranids as an invading force able to devour worlds from stray Tyranids that act like animals and inhabit Death Worlds, such as the "Catachan Devil".

Alone this shows, imho, that the Hive Mind is much, much more than just an instinctual entity, which leads its "children" "just like a beehive (or an ant colony, if you prefer those ).

Source: Wikipedia/Tyranids

[Dauth]

So it's more advanced than that, I'm still unsure as to how much the Chaos Gods would value a Hive Mind. Lets be honest any Exarch from the Eldar would be 'tastier' as a prospect.

[tank50us]

or just a tasty snack

[kanan]

tank50us Hail Fellow Battle-Brother, the Emperor protects. Chaos has no power or hold over the Tyranid Hive organism. so theyre a dead end in that respect. but with regards to Orkz Vs Tyranids in a large scale system wide conflict, a strong Ork War Boss could lead a Waaaah succesfully against Tyranids. The Orkz are genetically evolved for war. that and that alone whereas the Tyranid Hive Organism is hell bent on cunsuming all life. therefore they would be ineffective against Necrons who are Machines, they are soul-less and that means Chaos has no power over them. its like chess with a dozen different opponents each with their own skills and weakness's. each faction seeks dominance over the other but the sheer number of rival factions means that it is an impossible task. alliances would be the only way a faction could completely overthrow their enemies.

my 2 cents.

peace

Edited by kanan, 04 January 2009 - 16:25.

[TehKiller]

But isnt that a bit imposible? I mean I cant see any alliance except maybe an Imperial-Tau alliance (and a bitter one since one of the Imperial laws is the extermination of all aliens and destruction of all alien technology)

[Dauth]

I have created some red links to pages for people write up some detail about the lore behind the DoW factions. http://wiki.cncreneclips.com/wiki/List_of_...of_War_factions

Just start one of the red links and add detail about the faction of choice, or you could add to the already created pages. Don't worry about wiki coding I can do that.

[tank50us]

then again, there are mutual alliances, such as those where it's "I won't shoot you, if you don't shoot me", or "The Enemy of my Enemy, is my friend", If the Marines, and the Tau are both fighting say the Necrons, and both are having a hard time, then it would, in theory of course, benefit both to join forces to annihilate the Necrons, and then go there separate ways once the Necrons are finished.

[kanan]

well met fellow Battle-Brother.
thats exactly right. they would share common goals which would not have any real conflict of interests.

peace

[General]

Its obvious Chaos will over eventually since it consumes , corrupts and kills everyone and eventually this will bring an end to entire life forms, if they succeeded, that will be their end, unless they decide to ceasefire and let the population grow again

[BeefJeRKy]

 General, on 5 Jan 2009, 11:10, said:

Its obvious Chaos will over eventually since it consumes , corrupts and kills everyone and eventually this will bring an end to entire life forms, if they succeeded, that will be their end, unless they decide to ceasefire and let the population grow again

I'd believe that the Necron more probably face such a scenario though it would be good of them. The Necron somehow remind me of the Geth on Mass Effect.

[Overdose]

I can already see a Tau/Empire/Eldar alliance once Epic releases the W40k MMORPG.

[TehKiller]

Bah I'd rather see 10 different factions than the 2 lame ass alliances as seen in WoW (I mean Undead side by side with Orks...)

[BeefJeRKy]

 Overdose, on 8 Jan 2009, 9:11, said:

I can already see a Tau/Empire/Eldar alliance once Epic releases the W40k MMORPG.

So that woulld likely leave an alliance of Chaos, Orks and either Dark Eldar or Necrons though I'd wager Dark Eldar for the MMORPG and possibly Necron and Tyranids as Neutrals that attack anybody.

[Dauth]

DEldar will never ally with Chaos, they fear Slannesh too much.

[MR.Kim]

What about Chaos renegades? They do ally with Chaos Legions.

[Sgt. Nuker]

 Dauth, on 9 Jan 2009, 11:08, said:

DEldar will never ally with Chaos, they fear Slannesh too much.

I don't know that it's so much that the DE fear Slaanesh, but that they're too involved in their own insane and inane self-pleasuring acts to see anyone else worthy of an alliance. The Emperor's Children who follow Slaanesh would be the only candidate for an alliance, seeing that the DE have a common ground with them. Outside of that, there is no hope. The other armies would be better off shooting themselves than fight the DE, for everyone knows it's better to die in battle than be taken as a slave for the DE. Who knows what horror awaits them and what has been done in Commoragh to please Slaanesh.

Orkz don't usually ally with Chaos either. Rare occasions, but they're mostly because the Warboss that decided to ally with Chaos (or any faction for that matter) is for his WAAAGH!'s own gain. This is usually in the form of guns, armor, or territory (gubbinz, choppaz/shootaz, an' more WAAAGH! room) The main reason Orkz don't ally with Chaos is because they aren't susceptible to mind control. All Orkz have some basic psychic power, to what end isn't exactly known. What is known is that this slight ability allows each and every Ork to know who is 'Boss without being directly told. This ability also allows Orks to be used as a psychic weapon. Ork Shamans feed off of this power. Gather a large enough mob, put a Shaman at its center, and grab the sunglasses. Things could get messy in a hurry, and it doesn't always go in the Shaman's favour either (I lose more Shamans that way...)

The Empire of man may or may not ally with the Tau. Hails from Tau ships and planets are automatically censored before they reach the Empire's soldier's ears. Typically Tau messages offer potential invading armies an opportunity to fight for the Greater Good as a means to try and gain more for the cause. The messages are censored because the Imperium believes its masses minds are too weak and fickle, and therefore might try to join the Tau. Only in dire situations might the Empire join with the Tau, but it'll be a "you don't shoot me, we won't shoot you" circumstance. Then the "treaty" might be broken once the objective is reached.

The Eldar might be the only race that would actually ally with the Tau, but again, it's not certain. The Eldar are the wisest race in the entire universe and they've suffered greatly. They've made the necessary adjustments to prevent another Great Fall, but this does not always mean they'll ally with another race.

To my knowledge, the Necron never ally with anyone. A Necron Warrior doesn't even have the luxury of free thought or speech. All Necron Lords are cursed with this luxury and the memory of how the C'Tan tricked the frail Necrotyr many eons ago.

Chaos Renegades are those minds weak enough to give in to the whispers of Chaos. Renegades can happen to any race, including Orkz, but it more rare than any race.

Edited by Warboss Nooka, 17 January 2009 - 20:51.

[Dauth]

Eldar Tau alliance? This actually does sound plausible, Craftworld technology working with the greater good would be interesting to see. They compliment each other well too, we have strong psykers amongst, well not blanks but you get the idea.

[MR.Kim]

Only I know, Tau empire has 8 race alliances. Including Demiur, Galgs, Humans(Gue'vesa), Kroot, Nicassar, Tarellians, and Vespids.
I never though ally with Eldar.

[Dauth]

We're discussing something that could potentially happen. Not something we've seen so far.

[Sgt. Nuker]

 Dauth, on 17 Jan 2009, 20:00, said:

Eldar Tau alliance? This actually does sound plausible, Craftworld technology working with the greater good would be interesting to see. They compliment each other well too, we have strong psykers amongst, well not blanks but you get the idea.

How do you propose this alliance work though? From an Imperium point of view, it'd be Xenos pairing with Xenos, which makes them a dual enemy of the Imperium (although, everything but a fly is an enemy to the Imperium). That notwithstanding, the Tau aren't exactly looked favourably on by every race in the galaxy. Pretty much the only ones that do are the ones that are already allied with the Tau. The Eldar seek to return to former glory and prevent another fall. Whether or not they would see the Tau as a means of attaining their ultimate goal is still to be judged. It is more likely the Eldar see the Tau as a stumbling block and would no sooner have them destroyed than join them for a cause they might not fully believe in (even if it did help them). As complimenting as each race's abilities and technology may be, I would find it easier to believe the Eldar and Tau avoiding each other until such a time came that doing so would be nearly impossible.

[Dauth]

I can't see the Imperium being able to do much about it, as long as the Eldar and Tau concentrate on dealing with other Xenos and the Imperium backs off, you could get another no shoot truce going.

I doubt we'll get alliances done for any length of time in 40k, it was more a passing thought.

[Overdose]

After watching Witchblade for the 3rd time I realized something. The Sisters of Battle are also called the daughters of the Emperor and they all have white hair right? Apparently so does the Emperor. Is it possible that the SoB are created from the DNA of the Emperor?

[Dauth]

The SoB are not genetically engineered, they are normal female humans, however I have no doubt that part of the ritualistic nature of the Emperor and his servants means that the SoB do their best to look like your classic Saint. So its probably dyed hair and an affectionate term as opposed to direct descendant. Within a chapter of Space Marines everyone is a Brother since they are from the same gene seed.

[Sgt. Nuker]

The SoB are trained and chosen in much the same manner the Imperial Guard are, but are given much better standard equipment...and better armour.