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[Libains]

Smoke from the gun made me laugh more than anything else. Although the 2D portal was absurd s well. I do fear for generals2, although EA may actually notice the level of support ZH still has and they may create something non-crap non-casual for those of us that may still care. If they haven't alienated us by then.

[RaiDK]

Just watched all the GDI FMVs. Apparently EA think that GDI internal politics are far more interesting than, oh you know, all the plot points from the previous games?

[n5p29]

CNC4 is supposed to be a joke.

I've got all CNC4 music tracks (without getting the game ), but after hearing them, I think there's no CNC feel in it.
I missed Frank K.

Edited by n5p29, 19 March 2010 - 00:14.

[ĦѦʠʠɵƇҟ Ϣϙɩƭ]

I want the music!! It's why I pre-ordered the game. I know it doesn't sound like C&C, but it is really good. The London Philharmonic is well known for a reason.

In another note, I wonder about a cause and effect.
IS the game bad because the people knew they were going to be fired? Or are the people fired for making a bad game?

While not the worst game I've every played, it's down there with (your going to kill me for saying this) C&C generals. I didn't like generals that much because it had nothing to do with C&C, and a relatively weak story, designed to feed of the post 9/11 anti-terrorist frenzy. The game play was fine, but it'd do just as well without the C&C tag.
MY order:
C&C RA1
C&C TD
C&C TS
C&C RA2
C&C Renegade
C&C TW
C&C RA3
C&C generals
C&C 4

I think that if they hire some good people, RA4 won't bomb. I don't believe EA is done Milking C&C yet.
also: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=kFXJaYY0TOs

[Foxhound]

Wizard, on 18 Mar 2010, 19:46, said:

They ran out of money at the end of the filming budget?

That's the studio Gainax maneuver! See: Neon Genesis Evangelion

[RaiDK]

Nah, then you'd have the last part of the game being nothing but reused assets and then they'd have to release an expansion to end it properly

Wait, no. You're right on actually.

[n5p29]

Haddock Wolf, on 19 Mar 2010, 8:30, said:

I want the music!! It's why I pre-ordered the game. I know it doesn't sound like C&C, but it is really good. The London Philharmonic is well known for a reason.

Well, for some reason I can't give the link for now. but here's the track list, maybe you can find them too somewhere:

01 To Save Humanity
02 Welcome Back Commander
03 Bad To Worse
04 Transport Down
05 Entanglement
06 Insurrection
07 Paradise Fabricated
08 Whatever It Takes
09 Love And Death
10 Cold Hard Truth
11 The Beginning Of The End
12 The Prophet's Ascension
13 Things Fall Apart
14 The Harder They Fall
15 We Rise
16 The Pacific Hub
17 False Prophet
18 Heresy's Reward
19 To The Death
20 Bleed Out
21 The End Of All Things

Composers: James Hannigan, Jason Graves, Tim Wynn

Haddock Wolf, on 19 Mar 2010, 8:30, said:

In another note, I wonder about a cause and effect.
IS the game bad because the people knew they were going to be fired? Or are the people fired for making a bad game?

I think the first one.

Edited by n5p29, 19 March 2010 - 02:25.

[RaiDK]

Pulled from Gamespot:

Quote

Well you start off as this GDI Guy who aparently went blind after some random war that you never hear about again, that happened a year in the past.

You get these flashy new computer eyes that basically make you feel like LEGION with movies in your head.

Greeted by your annoying wife who rants on about how she is so happy you're okay, you go into the GDI briefing room with a GDI general lady who tell you to do some boring escort missions.

About 3 missions of nothing happen, Kane asks you to join him randomly rather than serve GDI, you can say yes or no.

You then spend 2 or 3 missions running around capturing TCN (Tiberium Control Nodes) for Kane, and fighting GDI and this rebel NOD guy who is never explained.

You are aparently in danger and this makes Kane scared, so rather than turn you into a common foot soldier or hide you in a bunker, he makes you into a clone of Kane and makes you go into the public.


You get shot at a rally, a boring evac mission follows, more crying wife.

Kane reveals hes a......something.....and he got trapped on earth.....a while ago.....for some reason.....and cant get back...... so yeah.

Final mission to capture the TCN and activate the scrin towers which aparently only you can do with your new eyes.

You open the portal, you get shot by a GDI General, wife cries. Kane walks through the Portal and leaves. GG

In other words, EA just trolled us.

[ĦѦʠʠɵƇҟ Ϣϙɩƭ]

The people at gamestop didn't give me the redemption code until I picked up the game :( I have to wait till tomorrow to get it.

[Lizzie]

So to further add onto the list of reasons why this game blows, the server you have to constantly stay connected with disconnects a lot. If you're going to do DRM EA, at least make sure your fucking servers work.

[Wizard]

EA servers don't work. You'll know that if you play BC2

[Kris]

Haddock Wolf, on 19 Mar 2010, 9:30, said:

While not the worst game I've every played, it's down there with (your going to kill me for saying this) C&C generals. I didn't like generals that much because it had nothing to do with C&C, and a relatively weak story, designed to feed of the post 9/11 anti-terrorist frenzy. The game play was fine, but it'd do just as well without the C&C tag.

IMO, C&C 4 is the one who doesn't deserve the title. The game is just a serious insult to the entire C&C franchise and to Westwood..

C&C Generals (especially the ZeroHour expansion) on the other hand deserves the C&C title, IMO. And it's a fact that C&C Generals was and IS made by Westwood Studios Pacific Division before getting renamed to EA Pacific then to the hated EALA.

So, What does it take for a game to get the C&C title anyway? That question never did get a solid answer since day one..

Edited by Kris, 19 March 2010 - 11:17.

[CodeCat]

The real Kane is rolling in his grave, right now.

[RaiDK]

To be honest, Joe Kucan was still good in those cutscenes. Nobody else was though.

So from the FMVs we've established:
-Kane has been around for thousands of years. Though we're not sure how.
-Kane is somehow able to not die. Though we're not sure how.
-Kane's overall goal is to ascened. Though it's never explained what this is.
-The Tacitus contained stuff about the Tiberian Control Network. But that's about it apparently.

[Wizard]

RaiDK, on 19 Mar 2010, 11:35, said:

To be honest, Joe Kucan was still good in those cutscenes. Nobody else was though.

So from the FMVs we've established:
-Kane has been around for thousands of years. Though we're not sure how.
-Kane is somehow able to not die. Though we're not sure how.
-Kane's overall goal is to ascened. Though it's never explained what this is.
-The Tacitus contained stuff about the Tiberian Control Network. But that's about it apparently.

I am soo happy that they brought a proper end to this long running saga I was worried I wouldn't know how it all en........ fuck it who cares

Edited by Wizard, 19 March 2010 - 11:40.

[Lizzie]

Wizard, on 19 Mar 2010, 7:11, said:

EA servers don't work. You'll know that if you play BC2

Well I already knew it from CNC3 when I used to play multiplayer on that with their servers.

[Anubis]

Imo cnc generals is probably the best cnc out there. Yeah i might get flamed for this but i don't care. Why ? because generals has everything that all cnc have and a bonus. Late game secondary economy. This allows people to actually do more than just walk arround the map with shit loads of units and destroy the enemy economy, which is basicly what every other cnc game does 90% of the time. If you look at replays on all cnc games, the players just hunt each others harvesters until the point there is no resources left or one of them fails at some point. People hate generals cause it doesn't use the MCV system or the side bar, but hell, not everything cnc has to be done in the exact same way. Right now cnc has 3 main game universes, RA, Tiberian and Generals. 2 of them uses the same build concept/sidebar. If all 3 would use the same thing, wouldn't that just kill the ideea of diversity. They would all end up as being clones of the same theme. Also generals is the most mod friendly cnc ever. It allows almost anyone to learn modding, and practicly allows for full changes on the game. The only shity part about it is it's engine limitations. People who hate generals hate the ideea of change and diversity. I call them hard headed ( no offence but it's how i see it ). It was a good change, that keept the core gameplay almost identical but offered a fresh new way of playing the game. Unlike cnc4 who's only change was to reduce the game to a retarded capture the flag with cartoonish tanks and robots.
Hell ... except for Warcraft 3 ( mostly it's editor ) and Generals ( with mods ), i cannot think of another game that i still play after so many years.

Edited by Anubis, 19 March 2010 - 13:49.

[Sgt. Rho]

Having tried the *actual* CnC4 now, not just the Beta, I can say: It's the worst game EA ever made. It's not just shit as a CnC, it's shit as a game overall. I've played some missions, and had no fun AT ALL.

[Kris]

Anubis, on 19 Mar 2010, 21:46, said:

Imo cnc generals is probably the best cnc out there. Yeah i might get flamed for this but i don't care. Why ? because generals has everything that all cnc have and a bonus. Late game secondary economy. This allows people to actually do more than just walk arround the map with shit loads of units and destroy the enemy economy, which is basicly what every other cnc game does 90% of the time. If you look at replays on all cnc games, the players just hunt each others harvesters until the point there is no resources left or one of them fails at some point. People hate generals cause it doesn't use the MCV system or the side bar, but hell, not everything cnc has to be done in the exact same way. Right now cnc has 3 main game universes, RA, Tiberian and Generals. 2 of them uses the same build concept/sidebar. If all 3 would use the same thing, wouldn't that just kill the ideea of diversity. They would all end up as being clones of the same theme. Also generals is the most mod friendly cnc ever. It allows almost anyone to learn modding, and practicly allows for full changes on the game. The only shity part about it is it's engine limitations. People who hate generals hate the ideea of change and diversity. I call them hard headed ( no offence but it's how i see it ). It was a good change, that keept the core gameplay almost identical but offered a fresh new way of playing the game. Unlike cnc4 who's only change was to reduce the game to a retarded capture the flag with cartoonish tanks and robots.
Hell ... except for Warcraft 3 ( mostly it's editor ) and Generals ( with mods ), i cannot think of another game that i still play after so many years.

Amen my brother, Amen. Generals and ZH is arguably the LAST awesome C&C Game ever made.

Edited by Kris, 19 March 2010 - 16:51.

[ĦѦʠʠɵƇҟ Ϣϙɩƭ]

I was just saying the only real problem I had with it was the name C&C in the title. It isn't really necessary, as it was never a part of the C&C stories. It would be just fine without it, thats all.
I'm also starting to come to terms with how godawful C&C 4 is. I convinced my self it was good in order to not feel bad about wasting 50$, but.....
You know? I could have gotten Mass effect 2.

Also a tiny sig update.

Edited by Haddock Wolf, 19 March 2010 - 19:06.

[Kris]

Haddock Wolf, on 20 Mar 2010, 3:03, said:

I was just saying the only real problem I had with it was the name C&C in the title. It isn't really necessary, as it was never a part of the C&C stories. It would be just fine without it, thats all.

The Generals universe opens a new possibility for future C&C games so i welcome Generals as part of the C&C series. The Red Alert and Tiberian/Tiberium universe can be quite boring

Haddock Wolf, on 20 Mar 2010, 3:03, said:

I'm also starting to come to terms with how godawful C&C 4 is. I convinced my self it was good in order to not feel bad about wasting 50$, but.....


You know? I could have gotten Mass effect 2.

Also a tiny sig update.

Haha! Now, don't feel bad...C&C 4 is just like anthrax, it will slowly slap you with the reality of you wasting $50 (or P2,276 in my currency )...

[Numbers]

You know, if you get a good team together this game does have a lot of potential for team based clan war's and the like. Pub's however suck since everyone is a noob

[Shirou]

Oh by the way: SWR CnC4 contest

[Lizzie]

So having seen the ending of the game for myself ... yeah total gainax ending.

[Kris]

Even hitler thinks C&C 4 sucks balls: