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BP's oil can change the climate?
#1
Posted 14 December 2010 - 09:54
Conspiracy theorists have already jumped on it and stated that the gulf stream may be completely broken by BP's efforts and that Europe's climate will permanently fall cold (most of you will know Al Gore's greenland predictions relating to a Europe centered Ice Age). I think that's rather bullshit the oilspill was large but the gulf stream is too voluminous to be permantely disrupted by that. Here is the report from some italian physicists who made the most important assumptions here.
I took the time to evaluate the bold reports and found this one which makes a bit more scientific sense. It has maps that disprove the bold accusations of a permanently disrupted gulf stream. That doesn't meant the 'damage' to our winter hasn't been done because if the other ones in the italian report are genuine then we may have received quite a bit less heat than we should have in the past months.
If that ends up to be the case (it will never be proven of course, like everything in climate science) I'd like BP's address for my energy bill this winter.
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#2
Posted 14 December 2010 - 10:03
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#3
Posted 14 December 2010 - 12:27
Experts will tell you we don't have any comparison for the amount of CO2 humans have injected into the atmosphere, as a geologist I can tell you thats bullshit. While the change has never been quite so rapid, at numerous times in geological history the CO2 levels have been much higher.
Edited by Ion Cannon!, 14 December 2010 - 12:28.
#4
Posted 14 December 2010 - 12:46
Chyros, on 14 Dec 2010, 11:03, said:
Its mainly that quite some climatologists are pointing at their predictions of a harsh winter and the internet has picked it up like the next new meme. It hasn't really been abnormally cold in the Netherlands although a -16 in the UK, surrounded by ocean, and half a meter of snow in France all in december does say something.
It'll definitely fall in the section of 'cold winters' if this keeps up. Its all pure speculation though.
I'd like not to turn this into a CO2-global warming discussion, as this is entirely something else.
Edited by Shirou, 14 December 2010 - 12:49.
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 12:53
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#6
Posted 14 December 2010 - 13:46
#7
Posted 14 December 2010 - 18:25
A good weather prediction system is the upper level chart, for snow specifically the 528 line (the depth of the atmosphere between the pressure levels of 500 and 1000 hpa (mbar to the oldies)). You can see these systems moving in and sitting on Europe. A good site is netweather and their datacentre. I personally am a fan of the GFS forecasts and using the dropdown box to get the 500-1000hpa hgt.
http://www.netweathe...tion=nwdc;sess=
Go amaze your friends with better than most national weather services at snow prediction.
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 19:23
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 19:51
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#12
Posted 15 December 2010 - 06:51
Pav:3d, on 15 Dec 2010, 0:56, said:
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And coldest winter in 1000 years? Not been too bad so far...
Meh, not the coldest in Denmark yet, abnormaly early yes, but according to my mother they had one 20 years ago where the temperature dropped to -24c in the night.
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#13
Posted 15 December 2010 - 07:15
I really doubt that the oil spill will have any effect on the climate. As Alias said, the main effect will be the devastation of several ecosystems in the Gulf of Mexico.
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#14
Posted 15 December 2010 - 10:10
Does anyone know how the bacteria are doing on the oil at about 1km down?
#15
Posted 15 December 2010 - 13:33
Dauth, on 15 Dec 2010, 12:10, said:
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#16
Posted 15 December 2010 - 13:45
Alias, on 14 Dec 2010, 7:53, said:
^ This. Honestly, the immediate and long term effects to the ecosystem are more relevant and noticable than anything the BP spill may or may not have done to the climate.
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Posted 16 December 2010 - 21:23
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Also as Alias said, it's the biodiversity being harmed that will ultimately cause bigger problems. Sure the Gulf stream might have been weakened this year, but I doubt that this singular event has shifted enough to freeze Europe.
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