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[Destiny]

Actually the generators were damaged in the earthquake IIRC. Not having the plant cave in on itself and exploding in a nuclear fireball causing a massive fire and radiation/radioactive stuff burst/disperse is already testament to Japan's earthquake-preparedness.

[Ion Cannon!]

SquigPie, on 8 Apr 2011, 7:47, said:

Well, Waterproofing their Nuclear Plants might've been an idea.

Wasn't it something about the backup generators being placed in a pair of...what's the word? Holes? So that when the water flooded the facility, the backup generators where amongst the first things to shut down.

The Fukushima plant was protected by a 7M high seawall, the wave that hit it was 14M.

@Nuker, I would also be interested in that subject, may be worth starting a topic on it perhaps? Although if you want to keep your views relatively private thats understandable.

[Sgt. Nuker]

@Ion: Keep an eye on your PM box mate. Open a topic if you wish, but I see no reason in doing so.

@Everyone: If you wish to know my reasoning for posting "Less the Mayans, and more the Bible", send me a PM, rather than posting in this thread. I realize that everyone was not asking me about my views, however, I would like to keep this thread about Japan and the disasters that have befallen that nation as of late. Thank you.

[Sgt. Nuker]

I know this is a double post, however, this news warrants such.

A 7.1 quake has hit Japan, and this, roughly a month after the 9.0 quake and tsunami. There was a warning for a 3ft. tsunami, but that has since been canceled. 150,000 people have been displaced and 158,000 people are without power.

[Kaido]

Yup, it got hit again...
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/2314...ion-zone-widens

[GDIZOCOM]

Drag#!, on 11 Apr 2011, 11:47, said:

Yup, it got hit again...
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/2314...ion-zone-widens

They just got hit again by a Magnitude 6.3.No damage reported.
http://news.yahoo.co...apan_earthquake

[Sgt. Nuker]

Oh my.......... Just when Japan is trying to get back on its feet, it keeps getting rocked by quakes. This is not good.

[SquigPie]

How many earthquakes have hit them?!

[Sgt. Rho]

It looks like the 9.1 quake triggered the whole zone to unload a lot of tension, causing quake after quake.

[Alias]

They're just aftershocks. It happens after any earthquake... it happened in Christchurch as well (where the aftershocks actually happened to cause more damage).

[Destiny]

Sgt. Nuker, on 12 Apr 2011, 9:06, said:

Oh my.......... Just when Japan is trying to get back on its feet, it keeps getting rocked by quakes. This is not good.

Japan's good to handle quakes, I'm sure Japan isn't affected. No more huge torrents of black water is all I wish for.

[Hobbesy]

The radiation 1.5 kilometers from Fukushima is now .1 Sv/H. The disaster has been moved to Level 7, or a major accident, making its rating on par with Chernobyl.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...2249147126.html

Edited by Hobbesy, 12 April 2011 - 11:54.

[Ion Cannon!]

Although It's now a level 7, It's not even in the same league as Chernobyl. The radiation release is 1/10th and due to the nature of radioactive measurements even that isn't a good measuremet. Chernobyl released slow decaying radiation over a huge area and it stayed around for a while. I was born in 1990 but for a while the area I lived in - Cumbria, UK you couldn't sell land due to the radioactivity, at the time milk and meat products produced locally also couldn't be eaten. Chernobyl can also be linked directly with about 50 deaths and indirectly with 1000's, there is no chance of that happening with Fukushima unless the plant suffers a full blown meltdown. It should also be noted that the situation at Fukushima hasn't got worse, the level 7 is due to re-evaluating the radioactive release from the previous month.

Edited by Ion Cannon!, 12 April 2011 - 12:25.

[Sgt. Nuker]

Alias, on 12 Apr 2011, 4:39, said:

They're just aftershocks. It happens after any earthquake... it happened in Christchurch as well (where the aftershocks actually happened to cause more damage).

I have trouble calling a quake that happens a month after the initial quake an "aftershock". It's an earthquake.

Japan may be built to take the effects of a quake, but after a while, quakes begin to take their toll.

[SquigPie]

How's work going? Still trying to cool down the generators?

[Ion Cannon!]

SquigPie, on 12 Apr 2011, 13:37, said:

How's work going? Still trying to cool down the generators?

Last time I checked yes, I read somewhere the temperature is at 244c, they need to bring it down below 100c for a cold shutdown.

On the note of aftershocks, an aftershock is of course an earthquake so It's both, however unless the aftershock exceeds the initial earthquakes magnitude it is technically an aftershock. An aftershock with a larger magnitude would have to originate from a different fault system as the main Tohoku one is now on recharge.

[Alias]

Sgt. Nuker, on 12 Apr 2011, 22:36, said:

Alias, on 12 Apr 2011, 4:39, said:

They're just aftershocks. It happens after any earthquake... it happened in Christchurch as well (where the aftershocks actually happened to cause more damage).

I have trouble calling a quake that happens a month after the initial quake an "aftershock". It's an earthquake.

Japan may be built to take the effects of a quake, but after a while, quakes begin to take their toll.

The 2011 Christchurch earthquake is widely regarded as an 'aftershock' of the one that happened 6 months earlier.

[Sgt. Nuker]

^ Okay, but that still doesn't change my view of what is an "aftershock", and what is an "earthquake". My point is that there is enough time between the initial quake, and these so-called "aftershocks" for them to be labeled as earthquakes.

[Ghostrider]

They're the same thing Nuker, an aftershock is just the term for a smaller quake that happens in the same area as the larger earthquake before it. If Japan gets an earthquake bigger than 9.1, then the tsunami-quake we've seen will be deemed a "foreshock."

Also interesting to note (from wikipedia):
"Aftershocks on the San Andreas are now believed to top out at 10 years while earthquakes in New Madrid are considered aftershocks nearly 200 years after the 1812 New Madrid earthquake."

Japan's cabinet secretary also apologized that the government raised the level from 5 to 7, saying that the potential health risks are nowhere even close to those seen in Chernobyl's accident. Apparently the amount of radioactive materials released from the nuke plant is estimated to be about 10% of the amount released in the Chernobyl accident.

[Hobbesy]

This is what the exclusion zone would look like if Fukashima were in Chicago.



That's 9.7 million people displaced, and it is definitely not a small area be it an island or a continent.

Edited by Hobbesy, 13 April 2011 - 02:45.

[Sgt. Nuker]

Ghostrider, on 12 Apr 2011, 18:12, said:

Japan's cabinet secretary also apologized that the government raised the level from 5 to 7, saying that the potential health risks are nowhere even close to those seen in Chernobyl's accident. Apparently the amount of radioactive materials released from the nuke plant is estimated to be about 10% of the amount released in the Chernobyl accident.

Be that as it may, the radiation is in some of the water supply and, to my knowledge, Japan is still urging its people to monitor food, for fear it might be contaminated.

[BeefJeRKy]

A 9.1 magnitude earthquake is expected to make aftershocks 100s of times weaker (magnitude 7), but it seems they aren't hurting Japan too badly anymore. I believe the worst has passed, and that in fact, it was the Tsunami that did most of the damage.

[Ion Cannon!]

Scope, on 13 Apr 2011, 21:01, said:

A 9.1 magnitude earthquake is expected to make aftershocks 100s of times weaker (magnitude 7), but it seems they aren't hurting Japan too badly anymore. I believe the worst has passed, and that in fact, it was the Tsunami that did most of the damage.

Correct, which is why It's silly that the practical non-event of Fukushima is still dominating headlines over the Tsunami, news has moved on from that by now pretty much. Royal wedding is coming up and despite the fact that a majority couldn't give a flying shit, the media keeps treating it like we all care, they did a survey, it's actually about 20%.

Edited by Ion Cannon!, 13 April 2011 - 21:34.

[SquigPie]

Ion Cannon!, on 13 Apr 2011, 23:32, said:

Scope, on 13 Apr 2011, 21:01, said:

A 9.1 magnitude earthquake is expected to make aftershocks 100s of times weaker (magnitude 7), but it seems they aren't hurting Japan too badly anymore. I believe the worst has passed, and that in fact, it was the Tsunami that did most of the damage.

Correct, which is why It's silly that the practical non-event of Fukushima is still dominating headlines over the Tsunami, news has moved on from that by now pretty much. Royal wedding is coming up and despite the fact that a majority couldn't give a flying shit, the media keeps treating it like we all care, they did a survey, it's actually about 20%.

Same here in Denmark, instead of updates on Libya and Japan, we get the constant "What will the Royal Twins be named?" I mean, we need something small and "hyggeligt" in the middle of all this war and death. But they're overplaying it in the extreme.

Anyway, I think they'll be named Maria and Muhammed.