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[The_Hunter]

i thought it would be interesting to post this here:



i also have no more info on that thing other than the picture.
But i asked someone translated the chinese text on the image for me and it was something close to this :

"They are fired normaly but shortly after that they use a ramjet engine to propel them selfs at extreem distances(check the pic how far :wow: )
they hit with the same accuracy and power as cruismissiles but are cheaper to produce"

[Prophet of the Pimps]

there must be some draw back. other wise someone would have already built it.

[Stinger]

It looks like one of the old railway guns the Germans used during the War.

I really can't see how China could deploy something like this in the modern battlefield as I can imagine it would get bogged down in a second.

It is a beast, though.

[The_Hunter]

prophet of the pimps, on 8 Jun 2006, 14:51, said:

there must be some draw back. other wise someone would have already built it.
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well how do you know

it could be that they only have prototypes in the chinese varriant of Area 51.
after all there is no other info availible on it or at least not that i know of not even sinodefence has any info on it.

[Mathias]

Ah when you described the Hammer Cannon as a "scram cannon" in some quote from some place, i though you meant.. a Scram Cannon.

Meaning, the projectile is propelled by several explosions inside the same barrel, going off in sequence as the projectile travels the lenght of the barrel. The principle for the subsequent explosions is the same as a ram jet engine, compression of air and an injection of flammable liquid.

EDIT: Hunter, maybe that could be the principle behind Leang's giant cannon superweapon?

Edited by Cycerin, 08 June 2006 - 14:32.

[Lukov]

Good thing I can read Chinese, anyway, did anyone notice it can fire 2 times a minute? Is that slow or fast?
It also has a 250m radius of impact(somewhat inaccurate).
And there are probalbly some other drawbacks.

[The_Hunter]

interesting i never knew that.

anything else worth mentioning from the text on the pic ?

[Mathias]

2 times a minute is okay speed i guess. The bigger artillery cannons from WW2 fired about 6 or 8 times a minute, but they were nowhere near the power and range of this cannon.

[DerKrieger]

Well, the Pzh 2000 (one of the most advanced mobile artillery pieces today) can fire 12 rounds a minute, but it's smaller than this beast...note the lower left-hand corner of the diagram...it looks like a battery of these guns could be mounted on a modified tanker.

[The_Hunter]

yea i noticed that as well that would turn them into some kind of battleship...

[Baal-Zebub]

Well here's a rough translation:
It uses a smooth barrel to fire a shell which flies at 1500m/s(wow!) which triggers the pressure engine in the shell, the shell is propelled by several explosions inside the same barrel, going off in sequence as the projectile travels the lenght of the barrel. The principle for the subsequent explosions is the same as a ram jet engine, compression of air and an injection of flammable liquid. The shell is them propelled into the higher and denser? regions of the atmosphere. It has an acuracy of 250m. And the barrel corrects itself, due to the recoil, to the target after each shot.

Barrel size: 400mm
Shell size: 300mm
Warhead weight: 250 kg
Reload/Firing delay: 2/min
I think its range is around 600 km.

On the diagram besides the text on the top right hand corner
It says in the first text box:" enters flying course, glides/flies automatically and engages target."

Second: "Enters terminal velocity and the inner region of the atmosphere or something of that rather, engages air-compression engine?, and adjusts course."

Third: "Enters the higher region of the atmosphere and the shell changes course."

Fourth: "Shell's re-entry pervents any loss of momentum and ensures the shell gains high velocity(as you can see the angle at which the shell enters)."

Disection of the shell:
Warhead: 1500~2000mm
Engine part of the shell which includes solid fuel and guidance system: 1000mm
Explosive charges which sets off inside the barrel to propell the projectile.


Warhead types:
HE
Bunker buster
Anti-ship
Nuclear
and under the heading of Nuclear: Shockwave, Radiation and Pressure?

Shell type:
Cluster missiles:
Anti-armour seekers
HEAT rounds
Napalm
Small low-Earth orbit satalite
Anti-satelite rounds?

Positions:
One with the shell visible: reloading
One with the barrel to the ground: firing.

?:things that I'm unsure about(the word directly in front of the question mark)

Hope this helps, and sorry for the crappy translation.

btw, maybe some of the features like different warheads and firing/reloading positions could be incorporated into ShockWave?

Edited by Swiss Knight, 09 June 2006 - 09:01.

[The_Hunter]

it allready has 2 types of shells and i think a third one would be knida redunant.

[Baal-Zebub]

How about the reloading fx? with the projectile visible and all?

[The_Hunter]

yea the shell is once it fires you'll see it going up but anyways let's stay on topic this aint the shockwave forum

[Baal-Zebub]

That'll be awesome!


Anyway, I've just noticed that in the red print across the pic says, "The cheapest weapon there is to bombard Taiwan."

So is the Hammer cheap to develop and build?

[The_Hunter]

i suppose so building a couple of shells is indeed cheaper than cruisemissiles would be if i'm not wrong...

[Baal-Zebub]

Well the construction of the main vehicle might cost a bit of cash but yeah it would be a lot cheaper than ICBMs.

Edited by Swiss Knight, 09 June 2006 - 09:25.

[Mathias]

Yay, looks like i was right about the scram jet cannon principle.

[The_Hunter]

is a scram jet an other word for a ramjet ??

[Mathias]

Yep.
Slightly off topic, the range on this gun is insane.. How long will the hammer cannon range be? I think it should be around TOPOL capability for realism's sake. :bigeye:

[The_Hunter]

yea it has topol range but aint that accurate which i decided to to before i knew the real one wasn't very accurate eather

but that doesn't realy mather the explosion is large enough to simply kill anything close to the target area

[Mathias]

I'm an artillery fetishist so i'll probably love the hammer cannon

[Kobra]

I think the whole reason i tried Shockwave was for the artillery, it just looked so damn good...

That thing sounds insane tho, i bet its a friggin beast to try move around a battlefield tho. (Then again, with that range it wouldn't need to be near the battlefield..)

[Ion Cannon!]

Yeah a range of 600KM it doesn't exaclty have to be near. Whats the range of cruise missiles anyway? And having played with the Hammer Cannon i can say you'll love it.

[The_Hunter]

no idea on cruise missiles but i beleive those can go futhers but hey couple of anti air missiles and your 1 million dollar cruise missile is toast you can't do that with a shell.