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[Eddy01741]

K, if any of you guys got comcast on demand, look for this, as it's pretty good (they got top 10 ships too)... Heres the list:
10. M-14
9. STG-44
8. 1903 Springfield
7. Steyr AUG
6. Kar 98K
5. FN FAL
4. M-1 Garand
3. SMLE (short magazine lee-enfield)
2. M-16
1. AK-47

Feel free to dispute any of these as well as say your opinion on whwat should be on there that ain't, and what is on there that shouldn't be. BTW, the ones that ALMOST made the top ten according to the show were the FAMAS, L85, and Mosin Nagant. I'll add my opinions on there soon, but i will wait for others to post first.

[Alias]

Sweet.

Nothing could ever beat an AK.

Kalashnikov is a genius.

[BillyChaka]

WTF!?! My G3 isn't up there.

[retry_1]

Shouldn't the m-4 be up there somewhere?

[Eddy01741]

BillyChaka, on 17 Nov 2006, 18:30, said:

WTF!?! My G3 isn't up there.

My thoughts exactly... they put the FN FAL on there, AND THE M14, but NO G3... this is an outrage. Anyways... M4 is technically the M-16, it's just a shortened M-16.

[Whitey]

And a more refined one.

Now then, where's the G-36 and G-3?

[Elezzzark]

I agree ¨with above.

AK-47 is the Overrated and Overused Assault Rifle ever.


Why not G-36?

[Alias]

Κασεν, on 18 Nov 2006, 11:38, said:

AK's are cheap crap.

They're better than anything your country can come up with.

[Whitey]

Not true.

The M16 excels in some situations where the AK fails. It all depends on the circumstances.

[Alias]

TBA, on 18 Nov 2006, 12:50, said:

Not true.

The M16 excels in some situations where the AK fails. It all depends on the circumstances.

The M16 excels at all situations except combat.

Whereas the AK, it is cheap, easy to reload, lighter... etc.

Edited by Alias, 18 November 2006 - 02:05.

[Whitey]

I was referring to aspects of combat...

[Elezzzark]

And, AK-47 has Big Bullets, like Goat´s Horn.

[BillyChaka]

M4 and G36 shouldn't be up there. Those are just modified grandchildren of the M16 and G3. They're more like carbines than rifles, anyway.

[AllStarZ]

Ugh okay let me explain it to you. The M-16 and M-4 have some obvious and enormous failings, but do you know why the U.S. keeps using them? The AK-47 is also too heavy, too inaccurate and slightly obsolescent.

But they both work. You know why? It depends on who's using them. The AK is an excellent weapon to arm thousands of conscripts and militia with, and some professional soldiers can use it skillfully too. But it isn't as elegant a weapon as the M-16 and M-4 which despite both being very sensitive to abuse, are excellent combat weapons in their own right.

Also the G36 is basically an improved M-16 and the G3 isn't much different from the FAL except for a roller delayed operation.

Edited by AllStarZ, 18 November 2006 - 02:31.

[Elezzzark]

I agree with Allstarz.

G-36 was improved than M-16 or M4, US army would to replace old rifles to XM8 by G-36 design, also in Mexico replaced G-3 to FX-05 ( better than G-36) just wiki it, in Argentina, i don´t know, they still have FN FAL, and other countries.

[BillyChaka]

I read somewhere that the G3 was revolutionary. Could someone elaborate on that? Because honestly, I don't see what's so special about it.

Edited by BillyChaka, 18 November 2006 - 02:35.

[Elezzzark]

G-3 has better precision and brutally shot range.... it was father of StG-44, it has been retired from German Weapon Industry, really, G-36 is much better and versatile than G-3.

[BillyChaka]

I think you got it the other way around when you said the G3 was the father of the STG44. But that's what makes the G3 so... (awesome?) The fact that it gave way for the G36 and whatnot.

[Elezzzark]

G-36 is a son of G-3 Im sorry, i was wrong, G-3 was son of StG-44

Edited by Elezzzark, 18 November 2006 - 03:00.

[AllStarZ]

The G3 is extremely adaptable. It's one of few assault rifles which can be used as a sniper rifle with minimal modification.

[Eddy01741]

Elezzzark, on 17 Nov 2006, 21:59, said:

G-36 is a son of G-3 Im sorry, i was wrong, G-3 was son of StG-44

Sorry to get down on you... but the G-3 doesn't have that much in commmon with the STG, the original G-3 was basically the Spanish CETME (which is SOMEWHAT based off of the STG, but then again, so is every assault rifle ever made lol), then they added roller delay other great stuff like that. And what do you know, it becomes the best selling european made rifle, outselling the FN FAL. Which for all you gun junkies should know is a huge irony since originally Germany wanted to copy the FAL, but Belgians still felt hatred from WWII, and they rejected, so Germans went to the Spanish CETME, and it turns out the G-3 did better than the FAL in sales. Anyways... soo many posts in so little time, so may posts to reply to at once... This is why the M-16 fails, it's inreliable, period. That's the main failing, even with all the iprovements and even on the A2 and A4 varients, they still jam more than most other assault rifles. It's also very hard to strip down and clean. THe 5.56 round also has some hatred from me, would you rather wound or kill, most people that are morally correct would say wound, as then they are incapacitated, but still alive, and comrades must take care of him. Now, change one factor, make the opposition drugged with muscle stimulants, so they don't really feel the pain, wound or kill, if you say wound your totally stupid, as they just keep on fighting as they can't really 'feel' the pain that much. Anyways, what makes the G-3 so awesome, it's obviously not because it just gave way to the G36, it pioneered roller DELAY blowback, in otherwords, it delays the recoil, making it pretty insanely accurate, especially for a full-auto assault rifle using a 7.62x51mm NATO round. Now... why should th eG-36 be on there? Because it's one of the best combat rifles today, the only problem is it hasn't really been 'proven', so maybe not. But even though it uses a gas system, it still can be fitted wtih roller delay IIRC (from the HKPRO.com site) for a little bit more money, and it can be mounted with dual optics (one red dot, and one zoom sight, the zoom is like 3.5x and red dot is like 1.5x magnification) which is great for longer ranges and CQC. Anyways... It is highly based off of the AR-18 (the L85 is too) the AR-15 is an improved M-16 in alike, as the commercial designation for the M-16 is the AR-15 (armalite-15). Ak-47 is obviously going to be on top. Why wouldn't it be... It's probably the most reliable rifle the world has seen, it's easy to clean too, It has OKAY accuracy (it's good enough to kill at 100 meters in other words) and is very deadly in the right hands, it also has a round with more stoppping power (although IIRC it is worse at penetrating armor than the NATO rounds). It also is the most widely produced Assault rifle EVER, and has caused the most deaths of any weapon or weapon system EVER. Anyways, I'm surprised so many people acknowledge th egreatness of the G-3, oh well, at least it means I have a sense of good weaponry lol.

[AllStarZ]

The thing is that the AK-47 is not a very professional sort of weapon. Its crude, its heavy, but its reliable, cheap and even if you are as dumb as a pile of shit it will never jam (unless you shove rocks into the springs).

[Kris]

Screw your high tech stuff! Our military uses M16's and the BAR Machine Gun and a couple of WWII american stuff

And Yeah, The AK is a crude and heavy weapon but why did the vietnamese used and liked it? Its because its reliable...heck i once saw a show at discovery channel comparing the AK-47 and the M16 (M-4) the Vietnamese liked the AK-47 because its VERY Reliable...Hell they can even stash there AK-47's underwater and come back if needed and plus it totally pwned the US army because while the Soldiers can hide from trees, The vietnamese can just shoot the damn tree and hit the soldiers while the M16 (or m4) cant do shit, in the i was talking about (man thats was unforgettable ) They shot a huge slab of rock, While the m16 (or was it m4? i forgot lol) didn't do shit and just left some bullet marks...While The AK-47 just blew the Rock into pieces

Sorry for talking shit again

Edited by Chris, 18 November 2006 - 07:53.

[General]

Alias, on 18 Nov 2006, 00:16, said:

Kalashnikov is a genius.

Me agrees AK-47 just looks very kick ass

[Alias]

If automatic guns were legal here, an AK would be the one and only gun I'd ever own.