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[Dauth]

This is a thread to discuss any aspect of the 40k lore, including but not limited to, The fate of the Emperor, The Fall of the Eldar, the Rise of the Chaos powers.

I'm actually interested in what can be done now that Technicians have said they can no longer repair the Golden Throne.

[Overdose]

About time that that old geezer dies actually. Without the 'oh so sacred' Emperor, The Imperium may actually flourish.

[Dauth]

The Imperium dies without the Emperor, he maintains the Astronomicon, if that goes, no Imperial ship can enter the warp safely, they are stuck in the materium. Unless they get into the webway, in which case the Eldar/Dark Eldar get shirty.

[Nid]

He'll just have to stay there till the Fallen Angels bust him out of that tomb of his.

[Overdose]

Dauth, on 23 Dec 2008, 16:11, said:

The Imperium dies without the Emperor, he maintains the Astronomicon, if that goes, no Imperial ship can enter the warp safely, they are stuck in the materium. Unless they get into the webway, in which case the Eldar/Dark Eldar get shirty.

That's not so bad either

[TehKiller]

Right....so Chaos can attack by travelling thro the Warp whilst the Imperium cant...May the Emperror have mercy upon you

[Overdose]

In case you haven't noticed I'm actually rooting against the Imperium

[D.K.]

Well, give it up... Like it wasn't enough that Imperium actually survived never-ending war, betrayal of the most praised Primarch and several legions, now you want the Emperor dead.

HERETIC!

Call the Ordo Malleus! ;D

[Dauth]

What can the Ordo Malleus do about the lack of Astronomicon?

It is a fact that the Emperor will die, so what can be done about it?

[Dr. Strangelove]

They could try to pull a Deus ex Machina.

[tank50us]

or, they can name a succesor, my vote goes to Azrael, Grand Master of the Dark Angels chapter. And where did this come from anyway?

[Dauth]

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In the last year of M41, techpriests discovered failures in the mechanisms of the Golden Throne that are far beyond their ability to repair.

http://wh40k.lexican...r#Golden_Throne

Is Azrael a strong enough psyker? Without the Emperor will all unguided psykers fall to the ruinous powers of the warp?

[Overdose]

Nonono... You can become a part of the Tau Empire.

[tank50us]

My Imperial Guard is allied with a detachment of the Tau Empire, largely because the Tau assisted the planet in kicking an Ork invasion out. Keep in mind though that the alliance is a "Don't shoot me, I won't shoot you" truce, it can break at any time. However a 300 year alliance doesn't just die suddenly (unless the Chaos SMs have something to say) The Ships produced at this planet (I call it "Veinosia") only require 25% of the crew that ships of comparative size and fire-power. Again, thanks to the alliance with the Tau Empire. Theoretically, these ships could go from A-to-B without the fears of the Warp as other ships do. Yeah, I know I'm not exactly following what GW has published, but an Alliance with the Tau is not that much of a stretch. Lets face the facts, the Tau is the only race NOT wanting to wipe out the Humans/Imperium.

[Sgt. Nuker]

Actually, the Tau will wipe out a race that doesn't stand for the "Greater Good", so that includes the Imperium of man. The Tau however are not only viewed to be a "young" race, but also naive. They want EVERYONE in the galaxy to join up the cause for the Greater Good, and although it's rather idealistic, it shows that the Tau as a race have a lot to learn about the many other races.

To Dauth: The unguided/un-brain-washed/non-Chaos psykers could fall, but that would only be if the Ordo Malleus is not around (after the fall of the Emperor) and if it is still around, only if they haven't gotten to them.

For those thinking the Tau Empire is the answer, keep this fragment in mind: Humans wishing to join the cause for the Greater Good are castrated or otherwise spayed/neutered. May not sound like much, but the Tau claim this is done for the "Greater Good".

As for the fall of the Eldar, it created two things: The Dark Eldar, and the Chaos god Slaanesh. The fall was brought about by a more decadent lifestyle similar to that of those who lived in Sodom and Gommorah.

To Overdose: I'm rooting against the Imperium too, but I'z dewin' it wiff da Orkz! WAAAGH!

[D.K.]

Bloody hell... I think I'll have to "wind out" few Comissars for letting you idiotic beasts out... Don't force me to call the Basilisks, ok?

[IPS]

the imperium could sacrifice another couple of billions to the machine god,
maybe then he will transform the imperator into his personal immortal buddy and rule the galaxy with him... ^^

[Dauth]

IPS, on 24 Dec 2008, 10:04, said:

the imperium could sacrifice another couple of billions to the machine god,
maybe then he will transform the imperator into his personal immortal buddy and rule the galaxy with him... ^^

The Void Dragon, possibly the best explanation I've seen so far. Is the Ordo Malleus large enough to check even 10% of the Imperium Nooka? Seriously with the Emperor no longer holding out against Chaos there will be do many new Deamon worlds it won't even be funny.

[Nid]

I have faith that The Fallen will return to rescue the Emperor.
That Golden Throne of his is a tomb.

[Teron]

I would expect the Necrons to recognize the Great Devourer as their main competition in harvesting the universe. The two of them will battle it out leaving both short on resources and able to capitalize on the defeat of the other.

With all the collateral damage on planets from the Necrons and Great Devourer, the Imperiium would be the hardest hit. Beating back Ork pirates and Waaghs would become increasingly difficult. The many smaller Xenos empires (such as Tau) will expand while left uncheck.

Two events would signal the end to the Imperium as we know it. The first would be the fall of the Cadian Gate. This would give Chaos free access into realspace outside of the Eye of Terror. A final Black Crusade would be lead by Abaddon into the Sol system that would falter and fail outside of Terra. Chaos being chaos, many small empires would rise around the Eye of Terror led by different Daemon Princes or Chaos Lords.

The Golden Throne will eventually fail. The Empire will finally pass on and the astronmicon will blink out. The Imperium will lose thousands of ships in the warp. Traveling long distances will be dangerous and take a much longer time. The Imperium will splinter into many individual planets and empires. Only the Sol Segmentum will be the Imperium. The Space Marine chapters will take control of the space and planets surrounding their home world when they lose contact with the Imperium falls. Ultramar will become the next largest Empire of man.

Basically, it is the end of the Imperium and the domination that mankind held over the universe. Mankind will survive, but will not be able to impose their will on Xenos as they once did.

With all the chaos that ensues, the Eldar will patiently watch in the background and eventually settle forgotten worlds and finally rebuild their civilization.

[Nid]

Necrons apparently tend to stay clear of Tyranids.
'nids are the Hivemind, they have no soul, thus the Necrons can't harvest them.

Tyranids, also tend to stay clear of Necrons, there is no great Biomass to devour. And the metal skeletal biengs are too tough for their claws and fangs to crack.

I agree though, in the end it has to be either one of those two races that win the galaxy over.

Edited by Nidmeister, 24 December 2008 - 18:52.

[Dauth]

Teron, what will happen with the Eldar and Slaanesh then? Other than that its very feasible, I do like idea of the broken Imperium, will we get roving bands of marine inquisitors hunting down psykers? Theres a lot of possibility here.

[tank50us]

I never said that Veinosia joined the Tau Empire, they just have a pact not to shoot each-other. As a result, both the planet, and the Tau detachment are flourishing, both economically, and militarily. Neither group uses the others weapons, armor, or training. They do share space-faring technology, and do participate in combined-arms exorcises (where they do mock battles against one another). Besides, with common enemies to fight, like the Necrons, and the Tyranids (who are reportedly approaching the planet), not to mention possible Ork invasions, both sides know they'll need as much fire power as they can get, and you don't get it when you're fighting one another.

[Sgt. Nuker]

If the Eldar do manage to regain their former glory, then I suspect they could only stand to repeat themselves unless by some odd happenstance they regulate themselves so strictly so as to not follow the pitfalls of an Eldar long since gone. Perhaps the Dark Eldar would raid, rape, and pillage as a manner of keeping their light and unfallen brethren in "check" and thus not allow them to go back to glory.

@DrugKoala: Thraka should have killed Yarrik when he had the chance. Instead, he lets him live and even gives him a Powah Klaw. All of this for the reason that "Orkz need good opponents, since good ones are so hard to find." The green tide will rule the galaxy one way or another, despite what your puny humans have to say about it. Orkz steal what they don't destroy, so keep those Basilisks where we can see them, or even where we can't.

The Machine God on Mars is supposedly a resting Necron entity, known as the Void Dragon. Two are talked about and well known, The Great Deceiver, and the Nightbringer (death itself). It is said that the Void Dragon is simply sleeping or laying dormant somewhere near the core of Mars, and that if awakened, would promptly destroy everything there. Say goodbye to your Mars Pattern Leman Russes, Titans and Baneblades if that happens, you faithful Imperium followers. What was a once dear spirit to the Adept Mechanicus is in fact the bane of all humanity. Kiss your trusted machines goodbye and say hello to Hell.

The Tyranids may stay away from the Necron for the reason you stated Nid, but from their creation by the Old Ones (at least it is reported to be that way), they have run amok ever since. They are simply uncontrollable, ravenous beasts. Originally intended to fight the Necrons, as were the Orkz, the Tyranid defied their creators and sought to leech every resource from every planet they could lay a hold on. They adapt almost instantaneously, meaning that if one generation failed, the very next has mutations to help compensate for the former's short-coming. The adaptations continue until one generation is successful for the given task. This includes having talons and claws hard and sharp enough to tear through the living metal skeletons of the Necron. If the Tyranids and Necron ever meet, the Tyranids will find a way to beat them if they're not successful at first.

Edited by Warboss Nooka, 24 December 2008 - 21:12.

[Teron]

Nidmeister, on 24 Dec 2008, 17:57, said:

Necrons apparently tend to stay clear of Tyranids.
'nids are the Hivemind, they have no soul, thus the Necrons can't harvest them.

Tyranids, also tend to stay clear of Necrons, there is no great Biomass to devour. And the metal skeletal biengs are too tough for their claws and fangs to crack.

I agree though, in the end it has to be either one of those two races that win the galaxy over.

The Tyranids and Necrons fought on Medusa V. There is a picture with a description of a battle wherein the Tyranids kick the Necrons' asses in the 'Nid codex.

1. The Nids do fight Necrons, they do it quite well apparently.
2. The Nids can eat metal - metal forms part of the biomass they digest
3. It seems pretty obvious why the Tyranids would avoid dead planets that just happened to have Necrons on them - they are ignoring dead planets, not the Necrons.

Oh and I think that even if the Tyranids and Necrons never clash, the Necrons still lose, because the Tyranids are going to eat their cattle while they have their metallic thumbs up their asses. The Necrons have to actively eliminate the Tyranids, or it is just as bad as fighting them and losing.

Edit:
Ask yourself: Why shouldn't one of the C'tan harvest a tasty great HiveMind Soul?

Edited by Teron, 25 December 2008 - 01:11.