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[D.K.]

One question for you people.

Why do YOU endorse legit game copies and stuff? I kinda find it unreal that you have some use from it.

Just wondering.

[TehKiller]

 RaiDK, on 27 Aug 2009, 6:56, said:

Also, why wouldn't a legit user have a Bnet account?

Why would a legit user be forced to be connected to Bnet?

[Ion Cannon!]

 D.K., on 27 Aug 2009, 9:56, said:

One question for you people.

Why do YOU endorse legit game copies and stuff? I kinda find it unreal that you have some use from it.

Just wondering.

Because someone has worked to make the game. Because games cost money to make. And if everyone took the view of " Games Piracy Isn't Stealing " there wouldn't be any good games. We would just get crappy casual ones and indie ones.

 TehKiller, on 27 Aug 2009, 10:04, said:

 RaiDK, on 27 Aug 2009, 6:56, said:

Also, why wouldn't a legit user have a Bnet account?

Why would a legit user be forced to be connected to Bnet?

Now your just complaining for nothing, Bnet account is free so why is being connected to it such a big hassle?

Edited by Ion Cannon!, 27 August 2009 - 09:10.

[D.K.]

Hmm...

I think it's far much better leave it as it is. Why?

Because people like me and TehKiller will always first say yes for piracy, and then for legit copies. Also, why does everyone deem developer's work superior to those of a one cracking team. I think that crackers should get more positive attention, due to their abilities of simple cracking of a game that has been made for year.

Don't get me wrong, I do have several things that are original and legit. But no way in hell that I'm going to spend my money on piece of software that weighs about 10-15GB of my HDD space and costs roughly 68 €.

Another thing. Ion, I find alot of comments like yours "Because someone worked for it". Ok, fair. And then people share. Now it isn't fair.
Mate - then the whole logic comes to: If software share is killing software industry, then cooking at home kills restaurants and fucking at home kills public houses.

That sounds idiotic, eh? Well it isn't. I don't see nothing wrong in that.

But then again, what does a normal guy like you, me or anyone alse, actually gain from buying the games? There will be some wise-arses that will buy them, but why don't you use the situation and DL it from torrents?

You're from England, right? Is there some law about that on force? Because if it is, I apologize, since I base my theories and questions on my country law situation.

[TehKiller]

 Ion Cannon!, on 27 Aug 2009, 9:08, said:

Now your just complaining for nothing, Bnet account is free so why is being connected to it such a big hassle?

No i'm complaining for the fact that you gotta be logged online to play a game in LAN who's original purpose was to be connected to other machines without internet

[Pav:3d]

 D.K., on 27 Aug 2009, 12:25, said:

Another thing. Ion, I find alot of comments like yours "Because someone worked for it". Ok, fair. And then people share. Now it isn't fair.
Mate - then the whole logic comes to: If software share is killing software industry, then cooking at home kills restaurants and fucking at home kills public houses.

That sounds idiotic, eh? Well it isn't. I don't see nothing wrong in that.

No thats a stupid comparison, I cant even begin to explain how retarded that sounds.

They need to get paid to make the games, its that simple. This generation is so used to free stuff being thrown at them and easy to get it makes them think its their right.

Just coz its easy to pirate stuff doesnt mean u have to do it, Games take freaking years to make and the amount of time and effort put into it makes them usually worth buying. Trouble is all people see isnt the beatifully rendered, almost photo-realistic scenery coupled with finely turned gameplay.

All they see is the accasional bug and "OMFG IMBALANCE! WHY THESE ASSHOLES SHIP BROKEN GAME?"

Edited by Pav3d, 27 August 2009 - 11:37.

[Wizard]

 D.K., on 27 Aug 2009, 12:25, said:

Hmm...

I think it's far much better leave it as it is. Why?

Because people like me and TehKiller will always first say yes for piracy, and then for legit copies. Also, why does everyone deem developer's work superior to those of a one cracking team. I think that crackers should get more positive attention, due to their abilities of simple cracking of a game that has been made for year.

Don't get me wrong, I do have several things that are original and legit. But no way in hell that I'm going to spend my money on piece of software that weighs about 10-15GB of my HDD space and costs roughly 68 €.

Another thing. Ion, I find alot of comments like yours "Because someone worked for it". Ok, fair. And then people share. Now it isn't fair.
Mate - then the whole logic comes to: If software share is killing software industry, then cooking at home kills restaurants and fucking at home kills public houses.

That sounds idiotic, eh? Well it isn't. I don't see nothing wrong in that.

But then again, what does a normal guy like you, me or anyone alse, actually gain from buying the games? There will be some wise-arses that will buy them, but why don't you use the situation and DL it from torrents?

You're from England, right? Is there some law about that on force? Because if it is, I apologize, since I base my theories and questions on my country law situation.

Like Pav3d has said there is so much wrong with that collection of statements. Let me put it this way, why would I make something for someone without being adequeately recompensed for it. I am not gonna do something for nothing. You've basically just completely thrown the whole basis of capitalism out here thinking that it doesn't belong to the gaming industry. Just because you can pirate something, it isn't right for you to STEAL someone elses work.

 TehKiller, on 27 Aug 2009, 12:30, said:

 Ion Cannon!, on 27 Aug 2009, 9:08, said:

Now your just complaining for nothing, Bnet account is free so why is being connected to it such a big hassle?

No i'm complaining for the fact that you gotta be logged online to play a game in LAN who's original purpose was to be connected to other machines without internet

Woah, such a massive issue for and everyone else in the world. How in the hell does this actually do any harm at all?

[Ion Cannon!]

 D.K., on 27 Aug 2009, 12:25, said:

Another thing. Ion, I find alot of comments like yours "Because someone worked for it". Ok, fair. And then people share. Now it isn't fair.
Mate - then the whole logic comes to: If software share is killing software industry, then cooking at home kills restaurants and fucking at home kills public houses.

That sounds idiotic, eh? Well it isn't. I don't see nothing wrong in that.

Completely different situation. What would be more comparitive would be if you stole food from the restaurant, then gave it to people for free.

Cooking at home, technically yes you are denying them buisiness. But your not stealing anything.

In software terms, modding doesn't kill the software industry, neither do free games which were made with the intention to be free.. But if everyone downloaded everything for free you can be damn sure the software industry would collapse fast.

I don't like the fact publishers get most of the money, which is why I am a big fan of steam. HL2 was a masterpiece, lots of people worked very hard to deliver an extremely polished and fun product. Its worth the money, so I buy it. That way those hard-working developers get the money they deserve. If everyone downloaded it they would have gotten nothing. The money they earn is their livelihood, they use it to pay for food, to get their kids through college ect. If you had your way they would get nothing.

In England piracy is illegal yes, its still very widespread though. But the government are now trying to force ISP's to cut internet to illegal file sharers / downloaders.

- Below was responding to RaiDK, but he deleted it. That or my FF messed up. Still my statement stands.

Alot of people think its their right. And that pisses me off.

I have modded alot of games, I know how much work goes into making a mod / game. So for people to somehow and wrongly think its their right to just take peoples hard work for free? Frankly, fuck off.

Edited by Ion Cannon!, 27 August 2009 - 11:49.

[Wizard]

 Ion Cannon!, on 27 Aug 2009, 12:41, said:

In England piracy is illegal yes, its still very widespread though. But the government are now trying to force ISP's to cut internet to illegal file sharers / downloaders.

Piracy is illegal everywhere. International copyright is applicable to any product which has it, nearly every major game infact. Although there are local laws that do not match exactly.

Edited by Wizard, 27 August 2009 - 11:47.

[D.K.]

Ahaaaaaaaaaa.

I see. See, the problem is then in my own mentality. I apologize if anyone is offended.

You got the point, though I won't give up my theories about legit copies and piracy. I will personally endorse piracy until someone drives me six feet under.

Though, given the circumstances I live in, I'm perfectly safe from any law and I spend about 27€ monthly just on flat rate and 8 Mbit internet connection. I believe (myself) that internet is like crowdy marketplace where you get most of the things for free or low price, so when I come "home" (offline), I realize I've spent nothing.

But that's just me. I like using stuff when other people don't care about it. Our law and stuff, nothing actually prohibits you from piracy, hell - in daily newspapers there are ads like "Selling new games, 2-3€ per DVD". And noone will do anything about it. Women, Dalmatia and non-existence of anti-piracy laws are the only thing that keep me in Croatia (for now).

So yeah, to each it's own.

[Wizard]

 D.K., on 27 Aug 2009, 12:57, said:

Ahaaaaaaaaaa.

I see. See, the problem is then in my own mentality. I apologize if anyone is offended.

You got the point, though I won't give up my theories about legit copies and piracy. I will personally endorse piracy until someone drives me six feet under.

I agree each to their own views, but how can you morally justify, what is essentially, stealing?

[Ion Cannon!]

 D.K., on 27 Aug 2009, 12:57, said:

Ahaaaaaaaaaa.

I see. See, the problem is then in my own mentality. I apologize if anyone is offended.

You got the point, though I won't give up my theories about legit copies and piracy. I will personally endorse piracy until someone drives me six feet under.

Though, given the circumstances I live in, I'm perfectly safe from any law and I spend about 27€ monthly just on flat rate and 8 Mbit internet connection. I believe (myself) that internet is like crowdy marketplace where you get most of the things for free or low price, so when I come "home" (offline), I realize I've spent nothing.

But that's just me. I like using stuff when other people don't care about it. Our law and stuff, nothing actually prohibits you from piracy, hell - in daily newspapers there are ads like "Selling new games, 2-3€ per DVD". And noone will do anything about it. Women, Dalmatia and non-existence of anti-piracy laws are the only thing that keep me in Croatia (for now).

So yeah, to each it's own.

You think everything on the internet should be free, I get that. But people have to you know... live? earn a wage?

Stuff in the shops isn't free, so why should stuff on the internet also be?

Your laws might not, but copyright is international. Your still breaking the law.

How would you feel if you spent ages and quite possibly a large sum of money making something. You made sure its a quality product and priced it fairly. Then guess what happens. 5 people buy it and 50,000 download it. You make a huge loss, and your time spent was all for nothing. You can't make something else, because you don't have the money to do so. And if this project was intended to be your sole income well, your pretty much screwed aren't you. This is piracy.

If you still think you can morally justify stealing, the problem is more than just your mentality.

Edited by Ion Cannon!, 27 August 2009 - 12:10.

[Golan]

 D.K., on 27 Aug 2009, 11:57, said:

Though, given the circumstances I live in, I'm perfectly safe from any law and I spend about 27€ monthly just on flat rate and 8 Mbit internet connection. I believe (myself) that internet is like crowdy marketplace where you get most of the things for free or low price, so when I come "home" (offline), I realize I've spent nothing.

So it's okay to loot someone's house as long as you pay for the lockpicks?

[RaiDK]

 TehKiller, on 27 Aug 2009, 19:04, said:

 RaiDK, on 27 Aug 2009, 6:56, said:

Also, why wouldn't a legit user have a Bnet account?

Why would a legit user be forced to be connected to Bnet?

Why would it be such a problem if you're a legit user?

"It's not illegal if I don't want it to be"

[Kichō]

http://www.gossipgamers.com/starcraft-2-ge...drm-protection/

http://games.techwha...385-starcraft-2

Slightly old(no I don't keep up with the news much but) but maybe they're doing what RA3 did? Apparently you need to have a active internet connection just to authenticate once you boot the game up (just like RA3) the only difference is is that RA3 had LAN.

[Teron]

 Kaihime, on 27 Aug 2009, 16:09, said:

http://www.gossipgamers.com/starcraft-2-ge...drm-protection/

http://games.techwha...385-starcraft-2

Slightly old(no I don't keep up with the news much but) but maybe they're doing what RA3 did? Apparently you need to have a active internet connection just to authenticate once you boot the game up (just like RA3) the only difference is is that RA3 had LAN.

Again, Starcraft has LAN, because after you join a game over battlenet you'll get a DIRECT CONNECTION to each other
It's just that you authenticate your legal version, nothing more.

[Kichō]

DRM is DRM.

[Teron]

 Kaihime, on 27 Aug 2009, 16:34, said:

DRM is DRM.

Sorry but I have to ask this:
Did you even read the posts before? Its not DRM and I won't repeat thrice why its not

[Kichō]

Edit: I got it slightly wrong but its a "light" form of DRM if you'd call it that.

Anyway the game isnt even out yet so it'll probably change but I don't know.

Edited by Kaihime, 27 August 2009 - 19:13.

[TehKiller]

 RaiDK, on 27 Aug 2009, 15:06, said:

 TehKiller, on 27 Aug 2009, 19:04, said:

 RaiDK, on 27 Aug 2009, 6:56, said:

Also, why wouldn't a legit user have a Bnet account?

Why would a legit user be forced to be connected to Bnet?

Why would it be such a problem if you're a legit user?

"It's not illegal if I don't want it to be"

Irrelevant to the statement...the issue is being connected to internet not Battle.Net

[Ion Cannon!]

 TehKiller, on 27 Aug 2009, 21:35, said:

 RaiDK, on 27 Aug 2009, 15:06, said:

 TehKiller, on 27 Aug 2009, 19:04, said:

 RaiDK, on 27 Aug 2009, 6:56, said:

Also, why wouldn't a legit user have a Bnet account?

Why would a legit user be forced to be connected to Bnet?

Why would it be such a problem if you're a legit user?

"It's not illegal if I don't want it to be"

Irrelevant to the statement...the issue is being connected to internet not Battle.Net

Why is it such a big deal that you have to be connected to the internet?

[MentalAss]

Since most massive LAN parties don't actually have a connection to the net. Not that I care, at least SP doesn't need a constant online connection.

[RaiDK]

lol, which lan parties do you go to?

[MentalAss]

I don't. I hate socializing, but it seems the general consensus with those whom I have me, ISPs are nonexistent at the LAN parties they attend.

[RaiDK]

I don't understand why that would be, at the lan parties I've been to there's always been an internet connection handy...