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[Kalo]

Pav:3d, on 12 Nov 2010, 2:40, said:

Black Ops version of this kill

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Madness!

Now only if you could backflip while doing so!

[Chyros]

OK, now, having played the actual online MP mode a bit more, I have to say I've made up my mind: it's probably one of the worst CoD games ever made. Everything is MW2 except worse. The beginning players get weapons which are the worst in their class, perks which don't do shit, cannot counter ANY killstreaks other than UAVs and therefore die all the time from the helicopters in the sky against which they have no means of defence or offence, are forced to play gametypes they don't like because without pro perks you stand even less of a chance, it looks crap, plays badly, is worse-balanced than MW2 in practice and doesn't excel in any way. And the campaign sucks balls. Anyone who thinks it's good had never played a half-decent campaign in their lives.

Another Treyarch failed. How surprising. They just tossed us dedis and I fucking fell for it. I'm going to stick to the offline mode and everything else can fuck right off.

Edited by Chyros, 12 November 2010 - 19:01.

[Wizard]

So no point asking you for some Dom matches later then

[Camille]

Chyros, on 12 Nov 2010, 20:00, said:

OK, now, having played the actual online MP mode a bit more, I have to say I've made up my mind: it's probably one of the worst CoD games ever made. Everything is MW2 except worse. The beginning players get weapons which are the worst in their class, perks which don't do shit, cannot counter ANY killstreaks other than UAVs and therefore die all the time from the helicopters in the sky against which they have no means of defence or offence, are forced to play gametypes they don't like because without pro perks you stand even less of a chance, it looks crap, plays badly, is worse-balanced than MW2 in practice and doesn't excel in any way. And the campaign sucks balls. Anyone who thinks it's good had never played a half-decent campaign in their lives.

Another Treyarch failed. How surprising. They just tossed us dedis and I fucking fell for it. I'm going to stick to the offline mode and everything else can fuck right off.

how surprising

[Wizard]

Chyros, on 12 Nov 2010, 19:00, said:

cannot counter ANY killstreaks other than UAVs and therefore die all the time from the helicopters in the sky against which they have no means of defence or offence,

Doesn't the default LMG class have anti-air capability?

[SquigPie]

First rule of fiction, NEVER LET ANYONE TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK OF IT. Listen to their advice sure, but I've seen people tear this game apart (like Chyros) and people praise it in the skies, so I suggest either you buy or don't buy the game and then decide for yourself.

Edited by SquigPie, 12 November 2010 - 20:14.

[Stinger]

You generally don't find the majority of people who play a game posting about it on forums. They are too busy playing and enjoyed it. I have two people on my friends list that don't use any internet forums, who are casual gamers.

If you're still on the fence about this game, my advice is to check out as many gameplay videos as you can find. Judge it for yourself with your own eyes. I'm not getting into a discussion here to justify why I like the game - it makes for an extremely pointless conversation that only gets my back up. I cannot convince anyone to like it anymore than they can convince me to hate it.

Edited by Stinger, 12 November 2010 - 22:50.

[Stalker]

^ this ^

@Chyros. I figured out after a while (when there was finally hardly any lag), the game is really enjoyable in MP. You get most of the good guns and perks pretty fast. You should give it a try.

It is definetly not better than MW1&2, but still quite enjoyable.

[Chyros]

@ Wiz: Sure, but I probably wouldn't be able to help our team out because I have nothing to do that with. I only have weapons that are horrendously underpowered and no perks that serve a useful purpose.

Stalker, on 12 Nov 2010, 23:19, said:

@Chyros. I figured out after a while (when there was finally hardly any lag), the game is really enjoyable in MP. You get most of the good guns and perks pretty fast. You should give it a try.

I did, but you can't get the good stuff fast because it's impossible to kill anything or capture anything and thus impossible to level. I ran into half a dozen games straight where there were choppers out that I couldn't counter, enemies that I couldn't kill and objectives I couldn't capture. It's impossible to get ahead simply because you die within a billionth of a microsecond: no matter what you say, as soon as a chopper gunner hits the floor, you cannot survive for more than a second ever if you don't have the right stuff unlocked, which happens to take aeons and requires you to play shitty gametypes. They can see your red square popping up instantly, there's no way to stay hidden from it because the perk for it takes ages to level to pro (and even then you aren't made harder to see against the background), and there's no way to take it down because you don't get a launcher capable of doing so (and even if you did, it would kill you before you could lock on anyway). And even if you did, you couldn't kill any enemies anyway, since they started playing earlier than you did, so they have better weapons and perks which means you have zero point zero zero chance to kill him. It's EXACTLY as I said it would be, with Vahn's blabber about "not giving new players a disadvantage" being the exact opposite of what's actually the case. Everybody who says MW2 had too powerful killstreaks should NOT play this game because they are way better here. In fact, MW2 remains the game with the weakest killstreaks in the CoD series.

I also tried Gun Game, which has its moments, and Sharpshooter which is a big disappointment because eveyone in it camps their arses off and the one who spawns best and gets spawnkilled the least wins. It's made worse by how terrible the spawn system is: they must've based it on the WaW one because it shows all the signs, namely if you look around fast enough you can see people spawn right to your side. Or they spawn with their knife already stuck in your back.

Edited by Chyros, 12 November 2010 - 21:54.

[Destiny]

Well Chyros, I can't kill anything either, but the only place I could fight on equal terms was on Hardcore, so you might find home there too. While I got a 0/20 KD in normal games, I actually got a 9/1 KD on Hardcore.



But yeah, I admit some of the killstreaks in BO are somewhat out of their time (seriously, Hueys? I'd rather a Blackhawk). The perks in BO are...well...limited and hardly do anything, the only useful ones is Ghost, Scavenger and Warlord in my opinion. Second Chance hardly ever works since you die while the enemy is shooting and the bullets hit you when you are second chance'd.

[Admiral FCS]

I must say the recoil is much smaller when compared to MW2/BC2 IMO.

Also, I couldn't, in all my games, get past Lvl8 in zombies >.< Any help?

[Stinger]

Admiral FCS, on 13 Nov 2010, 1:51, said:

I must say the recoil is much smaller when compared to MW2

On the PC version of Modern Warfare 2, the weapons barely had any recoil at all, with the M4, FAMAS, SCAR-H, M16, ACR, and the RPD gripped having little or none.

Many of the weapons in Black Ops have noticeable recoil.

[Destiny]

My FAMAS has quite a bit of recoil, yeah...I'm not going to blame the recoil that killed me, but my own skill.

[Pav:3d]

EVERYONE seems to use the FAMAS, its quite boring...

[Destiny]

Because there isn't anything better until you get the AUG The Galli or whatever it is called is inferior to the FAMAS.

[deltaepsilon]

Are many of the weapons that sucky?

Edited by deltaepsilon, 13 November 2010 - 10:10.

[Stalker]

Chyros, on 12 Nov 2010, 22:52, said:

@ Wiz: Sure, but I probably wouldn't be able to help our team out because I have nothing to do that with. I only have weapons that are horrendously underpowered and no perks that serve a useful purpose.

Stalker, on 12 Nov 2010, 23:19, said:

@Chyros. I figured out after a while (when there was finally hardly any lag), the game is really enjoyable in MP. You get most of the good guns and perks pretty fast. You should give it a try.

I did, but you can't get the good stuff fast because it's impossible to kill anything or capture anything and thus impossible to level. I ran into half a dozen games straight where there were choppers out that I couldn't counter, enemies that I couldn't kill and objectives I couldn't capture. It's impossible to get ahead simply because you die within a billionth of a microsecond: no matter what you say, as soon as a chopper gunner hits the floor, you cannot survive for more than a second ever if you don't have the right stuff unlocked, which happens to take aeons and requires you to play shitty gametypes. They can see your red square popping up instantly, there's no way to stay hidden from it because the perk for it takes ages to level to pro (and even then you aren't made harder to see against the background), and there's no way to take it down because you don't get a launcher capable of doing so (and even if you did, it would kill you before you could lock on anyway). And even if you did, you couldn't kill any enemies anyway, since they started playing earlier than you did, so they have better weapons and perks which means you have zero point zero zero chance to kill him. It's EXACTLY as I said it would be, with Vahn's blabber about "not giving new players a disadvantage" being the exact opposite of what's actually the case. Everybody who says MW2 had too powerful killstreaks should NOT play this game because they are way better here. In fact, MW2 remains the game with the weakest killstreaks in the CoD series.

I also tried Gun Game, which has its moments, and Sharpshooter which is a big disappointment because eveyone in it camps their arses off and the one who spawns best and gets spawnkilled the least wins. It's made worse by how terrible the spawn system is: they must've based it on the WaW one because it shows all the signs, namely if you look around fast enough you can see people spawn right to your side. Or they spawn with their knife already stuck in your back.

Sorry in advance for a drastic answer.

I underlined all parts were you are just wrong - I get it you don't like the game, but don't talk about it like this were all facts! Its your opinion.

Yes, a chopper gunner is powerful, but one of the default classes has a Launcher to shoot them.

Chopper gunner doesn't really happen that often. The normal chopper is weak as hell.

Pro perks are even easier to get than in MW2. Marathon is harder (you have to play CTF) but it isn't really needed. 2 or 3 other perks IIRC require you to plant/defuse bombs, which is quite easy in demolition.

What's wrong with the early weapons? The HK21 kicks ass, and the other ones aren't that bad either. You also level, and unlock the 'better' guns really fast.

You can't kill anyone? I had the same feeling in my first 2 games. But guess what, now I'm constantly getting K/D of at least 1.5, and I'm usually in the top ranks.

IIRC you are a pretty good player, so I really don't believe you that you have 'zero chance'.

I respect your opinion, but it seems you are a bit mad about the game. If that's the case, you should calm down, otherwise, well, there are other games out there :-)

[Chyros]

Pav:3d, on 13 Nov 2010, 11:45, said:

EVERYONE seems to use the FAMAS, its quite boring...

That's because it's one of the best weapons in the game, possibly the best .

deltaepsilon, on 13 Nov 2010, 12:09, said:

Are many of the weapons that sucky?

Well, everything that isn't an assault rifle is, yeah . Though that's been kind of true for every CoD game to date.

Stalker, on 13 Nov 2010, 12:30, said:

Yes, a chopper gunner is powerful, but one of the default classes has a Launcher to shoot them.

I had six games in a row I was thrown into with a chopper gunner so I know some about them. I tried the default launcher class, but every time I spawned, the chopper had killed me before I was able to even unfold the M72. Besides, even if I were able to, it wouldn't kill the chopper because you only get one missile, and of course nobody else in the whole universe takes them down. So how do you REALLY counter the chopper gunner at low levels? The answer is of course, you don't. You simply never get the chance to.

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Chopper gunner doesn't really happen that often. The normal chopper is weak as hell.

Chopper Gunner doesn't really happen that often? Besides, the normal chopper spawnkills as well, doing the same trick the CG does sometimes.

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Pro perks are even easier to get than in MW2. Marathon is harder (you have to play CTF) but it isn't really needed. 2 or 3 other perks IIRC require you to plant/defuse bombs, which is quite easy in demolition.

At the moment I don't have any pro perks yet, but in MW2 I would've had the best two perks in the game leveled to pro already. The requirements are basically three times as much for everything, some even more. Leveling perks to pro in MW2 was a breeze.

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What's wrong with the early weapons? The HK21 kicks ass, and the other ones aren't that bad either. You also level, and unlock the 'better' guns really fast.

Starting weapons:
M16: too weak and burst-fire
MP5K: too weak and useless
HK21: decent but no match against any higher-level assault rifle
Olympia: you've GOT to be kidding me
Dragunov: too weak, too unreliable, too slow, too heavily affected by DVK

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You can't kill anyone? I had the same feeling in my first 2 games. But guess what, now I'm constantly getting K/D of at least 1.5, and I'm usually in the top ranks.

Yeah, now that I ditched the stupid M16 it goes a lot better. But guess why that is?!

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IIRC you are a pretty good player, so I really don't believe you that you have 'zero chance'.

If I were to fight, with any of the start weapons and perks, a copy of mine using a good assault rifle and pro perks and other useful stuff, I would never get a single kill in, because I'm completely outgunned on every front. Sure I can kill noobs with the starting stuff, but no-one worth their salt. If you are outgunned that severely, I would say you chances from an objective point of view are indeed zero percent or near enough as makes no matter.

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I respect your opinion, but it seems you are a bit mad about the game. If that's the case, you should calm down, otherwise, well, there are other games out there :-)

Well, to be frank, I was kind of grumpy yesterday, yeah, since it was an extremely hard day. I figured I'd give the game a chance with some friends, and this does help alleviate the atmosphere. Way I see it though, is that the game is basically MW2 except a million tiny things were fixed and a few massive things were unfixed. It's hard to say which of the two games I like more at the moment. BO has so many huge design flaws - most of which were corner stones of all previous CoD games' balance - that it tends to madden me from time to time.

[Stinger]

The new patch they released today broke the server browser for me.

I can no longer find servers based in England. Not that it matters. Dutch servers give me the same ping as British ones - try figuring that one out.

[Destiny]

For me I can't connect to any games at all :|

[Wizard]

Stinger, on 13 Nov 2010, 18:15, said:

The new patch they released today broke the server browser for me.

I can no longer find servers based in England. Not that it matters. Dutch servers give me the same ping as British ones - try figuring that one out.

You know very well by now that your internet connection divides by zero to every server on the planet! You could connect to Mars, by WiFi, better than you could connect to a British server

[Pav:3d]

Goddamn that FAMAS owns. Suppressed FAMAS with ghost perk and you're damn near immortal!

[Chyros]

Pav:3d, on 14 Nov 2010, 1:48, said:

Goddamn that FAMAS owns. Suppressed FAMAS with ghost perk and you're damn near immortal!

It wouldn't be so bad if it had more recoil compared to the slower-firing assault rifles, but it has LESS too which makes it kind of ridiculous.

[Pav:3d]

Chyros, on 14 Nov 2010, 0:10, said:

Pav:3d, on 14 Nov 2010, 1:48, said:

Goddamn that FAMAS owns. Suppressed FAMAS with ghost perk and you're damn near immortal!

It wouldn't be so bad if it had more recoil compared to the slower-firing assault rifles, but it has LESS too which makes it kind of ridiculous.

Yeah its just silly, I unlocked the AK and after a few rounds I thought "nah" and went back to the FAMAS. Shame that assault rifles continue to rule all other weapons in FPS. FPS devs need to come up with SOME sort of weakness for them.

[Alias]

Realistic jamming?

Everyone would use AKs then.