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[Alias]

Just because it is easier doesn't mean it is better. If everyone went the easy route the web would still be stuck in the past. Images are of course needed for things like photographs and actual images, but almost anything functional can be created in the web realm without using images – case in point IPB. Pretty much all of the UI here bar a couple of elements is done entirely without images.

[Liten]

Nope

[TheDR]

Good point sir!

[CJ]

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 16:10, said:

Just because it is easier doesn't mean it is better. If everyone went the easy route the web would still be stuck in the past. Images are of course needed for things like photographs and actual images, but almost anything functional can be created in the web realm without using images – case in point IPB. Pretty much all of the UI here bar a couple of elements is done entirely without images.

I doubt you'd be able to make a modern looking UI without images though (I'm thinking of diagonal gradients and glass/glow effects on buttons for example)
Thanks for the infos though, I didn't actually look into webdesign for about 4-5 years, and it was only basic stuff I've done back then. Now that I'm thinking about helping a few friends to make a site I'm kinda lost

[Destiny]

Hmm

[Liten]

No

[Destiny]

~

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 15:47, said:

Illustrator

Ugh.

Illustrator is an awful bit of software for designing website. I think there are some modes for designing websites, but all the designs that have come to us in Illustrator have taken at least twice as long to make, because it's such a pain the arse to get any useful information from Illustrator. Nothing is in pixels, and no hex codes. D:

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 15:47, said:

Slices are a thing of the past. 99% of everything can be done without images.

Depends if you're supporting IE6 or not.

[Alias]

Bob, on 17 August 2012 - 18:33, said:

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 15:47, said:

Illustrator

Ugh.

Illustrator is an awful bit of software for designing website. I think there are some modes for designing websites, but all the designs that have come to us in Illustrator have taken at least twice as long to make, because it's such a pain the arse to get any useful information from Illustrator. Nothing is in pixels, and no hex codes. D:

Have you ever changed anything from the defaults before?

In Illustrator you can set dimensions to pixels, you can snap to pixels, you can tell it to render in pixels and you can also view colours perfectly fine in hex.

Just because you're uninformed and don't know how to do it doesn't mean the software is the problem. In most cases, especially these days with the great increase in resolutions, designing in Illustrator makes far more sense than Photoshop – Fireworks is a special case but really it does vector worse than Illustrator and raster worse than Photoshop, so I tend to prefer just using the packages that suit the purpose.

Fireworks was shoehorned in from the Macromedia era. It really should've just been killed off.

Bob, on 17 August 2012 - 18:33, said:

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 15:47, said:

Slices are a thing of the past. 99% of everything can be done without images.

Depends if you're supporting IE6 or not.

Even if you are supporting IE6, it really should be done through degradation. Just because IE6 is backwards doesn't mean the rest of the web should suffer. IE6 has quite a small market share these days anyway, although IE7-8 have their own set of problems to deal with as well.

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 18:46, said:

Bob, on 17 August 2012 - 18:33, said:

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 15:47, said:

Illustrator

Ugh.

Illustrator is an awful bit of software for designing website. I think there are some modes for designing websites, but all the designs that have come to us in Illustrator have taken at least twice as long to make, because it's such a pain the arse to get any useful information from Illustrator. Nothing is in pixels, and no hex codes. D:

Have you ever changed anything from the defaults before?

In Illustrator you can set dimensions to pixels, you can snap to pixels, you can tell it to render in pixels and you can also view colours perfectly fine in hex.

Just because you're uninformed and don't know how to do it doesn't mean the software is the problem. In most cases, especially these days with the great increase in resolutions, designing in Illustrator makes far more sense than Photoshop – Fireworks is a special case but really it does vector worse than Illustrator and raster worse than Photoshop, so I tend to prefer just using the packages that suit the purpose.

Fireworks was shoehorned in from the Macromedia era. It really should've just been killed off.

Wait... I'm getting mixed up here. I'm thinking of InDesign, not Illustrator. Illustrator is fine, I used for a while when I was dabbling with making stock vector images. InDesign is the devils work.

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 18:46, said:

Bob, on 17 August 2012 - 18:33, said:

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 15:47, said:

Slices are a thing of the past. 99% of everything can be done without images.

Depends if you're supporting IE6 or not.

Even if you are supporting IE6, it really should be done through degradation. Just because IE6 is backwards doesn't mean the rest of the web should suffer. IE6 has quite a small market share these days anyway, although IE7-8 have their own set of problems to deal with as well.

It depends who your target audience is. If it's a corporate website, then it's quite likely there will be IE6 users.

CJ, on 17 August 2012 - 16:35, said:

Alias, on 17 August 2012 - 16:10, said:

Just because it is easier doesn't mean it is better. If everyone went the easy route the web would still be stuck in the past. Images are of course needed for things like photographs and actual images, but almost anything functional can be created in the web realm without using images – case in point IPB. Pretty much all of the UI here bar a couple of elements is done entirely without images.

I doubt you'd be able to make a modern looking UI without images though (I'm thinking of diagonal gradients and glass/glow effects on buttons for example)
Thanks for the infos though, I didn't actually look into webdesign for about 4-5 years, and it was only basic stuff I've done back then. Now that I'm thinking about helping a few friends to make a site I'm kinda lost

You can do that through a combination of gradients, box-shadows, and some basic CSS.

[Liten]

ALL of the software

[Slightly Wonky Robob]

Some kind of drunken wager!?

[TheDR]

Nope!

[Destiny]

OJ?

[TheDR]

:O!

[Major Fuckup]

OMG.... making my engine put down 420HP at the wheels make things go fast O.O

[Destiny]

Major Fuckup, on 17 August 2012 - 23:07, said:

OMG.... making my engine put down 420HP at the wheels make things go fast O.O

When will you hit the 1000 HP barrier?

[TheDR]

Night!

[Chyros]

Destiny, on 17 August 2012 - 23:50, said:

Major Fuckup, on 17 August 2012 - 23:07, said:

OMG.... making my engine put down 420HP at the wheels make things go fast O.O

When will you hit the 1000 HP barrier?

When he further rices his farmyard moped so far that it breaks the vulgarity barrier .

[CJ]

What kind of person calls a CMS "Concrete"? D:

[Destiny]

LOL

[Krieger22]

Something I thought of: If insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results, hasn't Activision been doing that with Call of Duty? And why are we so fast to diss EA for changing Command & Conquer from a full retail game to a free to play game (admittedly EA F2P games aren't known for balance, but give it some time)?

[Major Fuckup]

Chyros, on 18 August 2012 - 00:54, said:

Destiny, on 17 August 2012 - 23:50, said:

Major Fuckup, on 17 August 2012 - 23:07, said:

OMG.... making my engine put down 420HP at the wheels make things go fast O.O

When will you hit the 1000 HP barrier?

When he further rices his farmyard moped so far that it breaks the vulgarity barrier .

Vulgarity barrier? something like this


Check out my economy now
Oh yeah.... My gear box is fucked since of today.....

[Alias]

Nice economy.

Edited by Alias, 18 August 2012 - 07:17.

[Liten]

Average: 34.1 km/h

Okayyy